Thatcher State Funeral?

Originally Posted by Nev

I find myself on a thread agreeing
100% with ray.

I think that sums it up for me.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

[Big post about Nev being a conspiricy obsessed Welshman.]

Sorry dude, I was just curious about why my intentionally
light-hearted poll thread evoked such an unprecedented
posting flurry from yourself.

I am a workplace rep (shop steward), I work in manufacturing and yet I have always voted conservative. The country needed a hard kick up the backside at the time Maggie came to power and she gave it one. It was a bitter pill, very bitter but it was needed. Maggie bashing has just become vogue. It's out of date now. history will vindicate her.

Oh Hammy, when I was 26 I couldn't afford a mortgage on anything on my own. There's absolutely nothing new about that. I had to have a wife's earnings to be able to afford to buy a house. And that was in 1984. That was also true for my Father, he couldn't afford to buy a house on his own when he was 26. He couldn't afford to buy one until he was 35 and also married. That was in 1960.

You see chap. There's nothing new under the sun. You're not so badly done by. You're just the same as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Mitch166

history will vindicate her.

Only in the eyes of those that did alright out of her.

Those who she trod on will never forget, just the same as those who've been trod on by Blair and Brown

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

Those who she trod on will never forget

Has this ***** been shifted then yet or what?!

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

Only in the eyes of those that did alright out of her.

Those who she trod on will never forget, just the same as those who've been trod on by Blair and Brown

Thats why I said "History". History is not affected personally. History looks at the bigger picture. History is not even the opinion of the same generation. History will vindicate her.

mitch is right. history won't tell the story of individuals whose jobs were gone, history will tell us how thatcher turned britain from an asthmatic state stuck in the past, into an economic powerhouse who could mix it with the best in europe and put britain back on the map globally

Originally Posted by ACAPULCO AL

mitch is right. history won't tell the story of individuals whose jobs were gone, history will tell us how thatcher turned britain from an asthmatic state stuck in the past, into an economic powerhouse who could mix it with the best in europe and put britain back on the map globally

I agree with that Al, but where did it go wrong

Originally Posted by rayq81

but where did it go wrong

blair got in

Originally Posted by ACAPULCO AL

blair got in

Two wrongs dont make a right

Originally Posted by rayq81

Two wrongs dont make a right

Well, Browns here now... do three wrong's make a right?

Originally Posted by ACAPULCO AL

mitch is right. history won't tell the story of individuals whose jobs were gone, history will tell us how thatcher turned britain from an asthmatic state stuck in the past, into an economic powerhouse who could mix it with the best in europe and put britain back on the map globally

Britain is not mixing it with the best in Europe, and parts of Britain are STILL suffereing massively for her actions.

History can always be viewed differently by different people

In a previous incarnation, I was an historian. Political history may be more kind to her, although her goverment's 'efforts' in Northern Ireland may not stand up to scrutiny, and she left an economy teetering on the edge.

However, trust me when I say that Social History will view her very, very differently. Apart from a few pockets of the country which did well, such as the South-East, and a couple of the more monied cities, there are areas of the country which were absolutely decimated, and that will not be forgotten. You try to find a Thatcher sympathiser in Wales or Scotland

I don't buy the 'bitter medicine' argument, I'm sorry. If you have a community which is reliant on one industry (one mine, one factory, etc), you don't just shut it down, then tell the community to 'stop f***ing moaning, we're making a packet'. A good government would put something in place first, then start shutting down the old industry. It is possible to do - it just takes some effort. They managed in Corby, so why not elsewhere?

Council houses - my area, again, is now suffering b/c of her short-term gain politics. This is a rural area, with lots of small villages. Most villages had a street of council houses. These were mostly sold off in the 80s (my uncle did very well, he bought his for a song) - but now where does that leave us? High demand for housing and limited housing stock has led to high house prices - a tiny semi-detached is still worth around £100k. What do young people do, they grow up in a village, maybe work locally, but where to live? No more council houses means they have to try to rent privately (really hard and expensive here) or try and buy one of those housing schemes houses (you know the type, buy half and the local authority buy the other half). Not bad in theory, but, in practice, they are not regulated as highly as the old council houses were, so people are getting hold of them as 2nd homes, etc. Soooooo- young people are moving away, the populations of these villages is aging quickly, and it's causing all sorts of social and economic problems.



My god people have got short memories, the legacy she left - the early-mid 1990s, in this area were absolutely awful, I remember them well


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