Thatcher State Funeral?

Originally Posted by rayq81

Reminds me of an old Genesis album "selling England by the pound"

The key word was "income". That's a positive thing, not a negative....

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

Thatcher gave the unions a beating, but I promise you that we'll still be standing long after she's gone.


THE BALLAD OF '84

Come gather round me people and I'll sing to you a song
About a famous battle that went on for so long
It's a tale of grief and courage of pain and bravery
One of the finest pages written in our history
We all know songs that tell of workers' struggles long ago
Of UCS, Tolpuddle, Shrewsbury, Pentonville and so I'm here
To sing to you the praises of the women and the men
Who dared the might of Tory spite the future to defend

Twas in March of 1984 the gauntlet was thrown down
When MacGregor told the NUM, "These pits are closing down"
"Och, get on your bike, MacGregor", the miners' answer came
"We fought the Board in 74 and we'll fight you once again"
From S Wales across to Yorkshire, from Scotland down to Kent
The miners showed the NCB that what they said, they meant
Except the scabs who sold their future out to Thatcher and her gang
And turned traitor to their class, their names forever damned

In Fleet Street and in Downing Street, a wondrous sight was seen
New-found converts to democracy soon all began to scream
"You can't strike without a ballot", well-fed mouths were heard to bleat,
"You won't ballot us out of our jobs, we're voting with our feet"
Soon armies of blue uniforms were marching through the land
With horses, dogs and riot shields and truncheons in both hands
But the miners took on everything the government could throw
And went back again to battle on with shouts of "Here we go!"

The battle wasn't only only by courageous mining men
For the women joined the struggle fighting side by side with them
In every area of battle women hurried to the fight
At rallies and at meetings and out on the picket lines
And in support groups up and down the land our comrades rallied round
The cry went up "They Shall Not Starve" and cash and food were found
To keep the miners and their families in solidarity
And show the world the working class would never bow the knee

Let's pause here to remember the men who gave their lives
Joe Green and David Jones were killed in fighting for their rights
But their courage and their sacrifice we never will forget
And we won't forget the reason, too, they met an early death
For the strikebreakers in uniforms were many thousand strong
And any picket who was in the way was battered to the ground
With police vans driving into them and truncheons on the head
It's just a bloody miracle that hundreds more aren't dead

So here's to Arthur Scargill, Heathfield and McGahey too
Who led the strike together in defence of me and you
And Malcolm Pitt and Davie Hamilton and the rest of them as well
Who were torn from home and family and locked in prison cells
But the battle will go on until the working class has won
For the right to work and decent lives belongs to everyone
We'll go forward now in unity, let's share the miners' load
There can only be one answer - socialism, here we go!

Living in the past mate - not even Labour believe in socialism now.

The Miners and Scargill got their a**** kicked big time - ancient history.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Unecessary war ? Like Argentina invading sovereign British soil and us reclaiming it ? Not started by Mrs T, but massive public support for it at the time. Compared to Labour and Iraq........

The war was caused because the Tory uk.gov took it's eye off the ball
in the South Atlantic. The Military Junta had no zero support until the Belgrano got sunk.

255 British died in the Falklands and 655 Argentinians.
(The Argentinian ground forces were all conscripts.)

Both uk.gov and the Argentians thanked their
lucky stars when they engineered a war to distract
their respective citizens from the internal problems
they had.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Pinochet ? He provided essential support during the Falklands war, and saved many British troops lives by doing so. A friend of Britain.

Oh dear oh dear. Problems with your moral compass?
There are two reasons the UK didn't get it's arse handed to it.
1) The Argentinians ran out of air launched Exorcets and couldn't
procure more (or jury rig sea launched ones to fire from land) in time.
2) The US provided the UK with the latest helium cooled sidewinders.


An estimated 3000 died in Chile under Pinochet.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Mrs T saved this country from oblivion, and worse then that, Arthur Scargill !!!
Humiliating that obnoxious Trot was worth 4 million unemployed in itself.

You don't seem to care about "prices" as long as your not paying huh.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Living in the past mate - not even Labour believe in socialism now.

No they don't, you're right. They prefer instead the right wing politics of greed, and the strength of the individual above that of the community, as perfected by the old bat Thatcher and her cronies.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Pinochet ? He provided essential support during the Falklands war, and saved many British troops lives by doing so. A friend of Britain.

He was a war criminal, plain and simple, directly responsible for the torture, exile and murder of many thousands (including a friend of mine's dad) during 17 years of military dicatorship. And Thatcher was taking notes??!

Humiliating that obnoxious Trot was worth 4 million unemployed in itself.

How unbelievably crass! You really don't give a stuff about anyone other than yourself, do you.

Its called the City - we are world leaders in financial services.

Yes we are deeply in debt, but that's solely down to Gordon Brown I'm afraid.

We're world leaders in talking about money? How much does that bring in? Or are you talking about insuring things like foreign rust-bucket boats, which usually ends up in paying out millions in tax payers money when they go glug?

How convenient! This country's been in debt for decades but you choose to blame the current PM, how long's he been in for? Just over a year? Well, he's certainly been a busy boy!!

Well ok, he's not making anything any better but that's just politicians I'm afraid: gone are the days when people became politicians for the good of the country, (that went with the likes of Tony Benn) it's very obviously self-interest that drives today's politican, who's only concerned with what the bean counters say, what his stocks are doing and how much cash he can cream off before it all goes t**s-up. Thatcher certainly didn't care what she was doing to the country, that much was obvious by the way the infrastructure - roads, public transport, schools, hospitals etc etc etc - were falling apart.

And what was privatization? Selling stuff we already owned back to us, whilst making some of her buddies extremely rich in the process and upping unemployment by a few million.

No, second thoughts, bury the witch somewhere public so we can all go urinate on her grave.

Originally Posted by Nev

The war was caused because the Tory uk.gov took it's eye off the ball
in the South Atlantic. The Military Junta had no zero support until the Belgrano got sunk.

255 British died in the Falklands and 655 Argentinians.
(The Argentinian ground forces were all conscripts.)

Both uk.gov and the Argentians thanked their
lucky stars when they engineered a war to distract
their respective citizens from the internal problems
they had.




Oh dear oh dear. Problems with your moral compass?
There are two reasons the UK didn't get it's arse handed to it.
1) The Argentinians ran out of air launched Exorcets and couldn't
procure more (or jury rig sea launched ones to fire from land) in time.
2) The US provided the UK with the latest helium cooled sidewinders.


An estimated 3000 died in Chile under Pinochet.







You don't seem to care about "prices" as long as your not paying huh.

The UK Government "engineered" the war ? Yeah, and I guess you also believe the US Goverment engineered 9/11 and blew up the twin towers themselves with a controlled demolition...

Reasons why we won the war ? Who cares - personally I'm just glad that we did.

3000 died under Pinochet ? And how many died under Stalin exactly ?!?

Rest assured I am paying a price - the price of all Gordon's taxes....

Originally Posted by steve_earwig

He was a war criminal, plain and simple, directly responsible for the torture, exile and murder of many thousands (including a friend of mine's dad) during 17 years of military dicatorship. And Thatcher was taking notes??!

How unbelievably crass! You really don't give a stuff about anyone other than yourself, do you.

We're world leaders in talking about money? How much does that bring in? Or are you talking about insuring things like foreign rust-bucket boats, which usually ends up in paying out millions in tax payers money when they go glug?

How convenient! This country's been in debt for decades but you choose to blame the current PM, how long's he been in for? Just over a year? Well, he's certainly been a busy boy!!

Well ok, he's not making anything any better but that's just politicians I'm afraid: gone are the days when people became politicians for the good of the country, (that went with the likes of Tony Benn) it's very obviously self-interest that drives today's politican, who's only concerned with what the bean counters say, what his stocks are doing and how much cash he can cream off before it all goes t**s-up. Thatcher certainly didn't care what she was doing to the country, that much was obvious by the way the infrastructure - roads, public transport, schools, hospitals etc etc etc - were falling apart.

And what was privatization? Selling stuff we already owned back to us, whilst making some of her buddies extremely rich in the process and upping unemployment by a few million.

No, second thoughts, bury the witch somewhere public so we can all go urinate on her grave.

You seem to forget that Gordon was Chancellor for 10 years before becoming PM, and directly responsible for taxing us to the hilt and borrowing multi billions to spend on unreformed public services - which is why we ain't got any money left in the kitty now to help us out of recession.

Privitisation turned failed state basket cases into profitable companies who pay millions of pounds of corporation tax, instead of swallowing up millions in subsidy. It also allowed many people to become share holders for the first time, who shared in the growth of these companies.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your personal predijuices, will you....

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

3000 died under Pinochet ? And how many died under Stalin exactly ?!?

Not a consistent debater are you.

Originally Posted by Nev

Not a consistent debater are you.

Entirely consistent. I was contrasting the misdeeds of a dictator hated by the left with the misdeeds of a dictator loved by the left.

Keep up Nev.

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

No they don't, you're right. They prefer instead the right wing politics of greed, and the strength of the individual above that of the community, as perfected by the old bat Thatcher and her cronies.

And that's a problem ?

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

The UK Government "engineered" the war ? Yeah, and I guess you also believe the US Goverment engineered 9/11 and blew up the twin towers themselves with a controlled demolition...

Not into conspiracy theories mate. Just facts.

The Argentinian government engineered the war to
take their citizen's mind off "revolution".

After incompetently allowing (almost encouraging)
the Argentinians to invade, uk.gov then engineered the
sinking of the Belgrano to continue the war at the moment
when Argentinian public opinion was forcing the Junta into
peace talks.


Keep up there at the back! Or are you too busy
rewriting history for your girlfriend the milk snatcher?

(You luuuuuurve her!!! )

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Entirely consistent. I was contrasting the misdeeds of a dictator hated by the left with the misdeeds of a dictator loved by the left.

Keep up Nev.

Don't be silly. No one here is supporting Stalin or Pinochet.
( )

(apart from you)

I'm having trouble debating with someone who believes that it's OK for 4 million people to lose their jobs just so someone he doesn't like can lose a few political points. Oh, and it's OK for Britain to be mates with a mass-murderer, as long as he 'supports' us in some way.

The comment about the moral compass was spot on, and I think I'll leave it there - you've shown your true colours, mate, a true Thatcherite, proved our points for us. Thank you and goodnight