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View Poll Results: The French Mistake - Have you owned a French car? If so what was it like?
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Worse than a dose of the cl@p
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10.53% |
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Worse than James Blunt album
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19.30% |
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Gallic Shrug
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21.05% |
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C'est bon
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21 |
36.84% |
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C'est fantastique!
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04-05-2008
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#1 (Post Link)
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AO Silver Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: East Spiral Arm of Galaxy
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The French Mistake
The 'know-alls' say that French cars are crap. Have you owned one, if so what's you experience?
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04-05-2008
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#2 (Post Link)
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Club Member
Club Member Number: 27
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: South Of France
Posts: 16,472
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Re: The French Mistake
Citroen ZX Volcane.
The less stealworthy of the 1.9i
PSA engined French cars.
(Well I was living in Manchester  )
I liked it but it was the most
unreliable car I ever owned.
Dodgy engine electrics (connectors)
2 alternators
1 regulator
1 PAS pump
1 wiring loom O/C fix
Radiator hose assembly replacement
Had to fix the IR keyfob myself
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04-05-2008
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#3 (Post Link)
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AO Platinum Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 14,616
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Re: The French Mistake
Ain't owned one (thank God)
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#4 (Post Link)
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Club Member Number: 391
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 126
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Re: The French Mistake
Renault Megane then a Clio, both had random odd electrical gremlins, starter problems mostly, then both suffered head gasket failure around the 70k mark. They were lively enough cars, decent fun to throw about so I'd buy again but only as a cheap short term measure that I knew I was going to kill 
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04-05-2008
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#5 (Post Link)
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Re: The French Mistake
Haven't had the pleasure to own one  probably never will 
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04-05-2008
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#6 (Post Link)
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Club Member
Club Member Number: 425
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Camberley, Surrey
Posts: 3,196
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Re: The French Mistake
My missus used to have the "old style" scenic ... which was ok ... then I got myself a new alfa, so obviously she had to get a new car ... and guess what she (I) bought a "new style" scenic ... it has to be the worst car I've ever driven, in fact it's so bad that I actually refuse to drive it (I actually prefer my wifes driving, than having to put up with being behind the wheel)
... but she likes it
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04-05-2008
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#7 (Post Link)
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AO Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: South Wales
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Re: The French Mistake
I had a Renault 17 Gordini way back in the mid 70s, and it was excellent indeed. Had a few problems with the Fuel Injection system, but overall it was a pleasure to own and drive, had a lot of electric toys for the time too.......
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04-05-2008
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#8 (Post Link)
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AO Platinum Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 16,142
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Re: The French Mistake
Nineteen year old 205 Pug still chugs around, s'alright, sort of French I reckon?  : Nearly bought whatever the bigger version of Pugeots, were back in 1960 in BAOR, but finally chose a Merc instead.  :
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04-05-2008
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#9 (Post Link)
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Club Member Number: 160
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 6,191
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Re: The French Mistake
Sort of. MrsJim had an AX GT in the early 90's, bought used. Dreadful build quality and frequent electrical problems with the central locking which tended to jam the hatch, but it was mechanically reliable and a hoot to drive, didn't cost much to run.
She has a  Picasso  now 6 y-o, from new. Cheap to buy, loads of room, it was great for the dog and TBH we don't look after it terribly well. Again not great build quality, squeaky dash comes and goes, awful driving position for me ( I rarely drive it). Some minor elecrical gremlins such as the known-fault with the digital fuel gauge which never reads full. But it has been a reliable drudge. One flat battery I think is the only failure to start.
Sis had £250-worth of 1.0 Pug 205 for about 5 years when she was struggling to get back on her feet after her hubby did a runner back to mummy. Usual tinny build etc and scarily gutless to drive, but apart from about £100 of welding and some brakes and an exhaust I don't think she spent another £200 over the next 5 years and she got her £250 back when she sold it. Can't knock that. She loved it.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Under the hood, you and me are the same (Lightning McQueen)
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04-05-2008
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#10 (Post Link)
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Re: The French Mistake
My 1st car was a Pug 205. It was quite unreliable (wouldn't start in the damp, electrical problems, bits of trim kept coming off etc), but looked good (at the time) and drove pretty well. But this was a long time ago (late 80s) so I really shouldn't criticise Peugeot based on that - it'd be like these people who criticise Alfas for rust, based on an experience 25 years ago.
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04-05-2008
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#11 (Post Link)
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AO Silver Member
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Surrey
Posts: 5,173
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Re: The French Mistake
Pug 104....had it temporarily as a run around after I crashed my Sud  ...had the smallest rev counter I've ever seen in a car....and the only car I've ever owned that had refused to start...many times....should have stuck to my bike 
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AO Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Canberra, Australia
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Re: The French Mistake
The car i had before the GTA was a 98 406 SV V6 manual. Great car! my first proper luxury cruiser. changed the exhaust and lowered it with eibach springs. Brakes were a little costly to replace and it did run a little warm but other than that it was a great car. I will miss its noise and handling.
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Manchester
Posts: 8,113
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Re: The French Mistake
i've had a laguna, a saxo and a puegeot 307. laguna was just dull, saxo was a bit crap & not overly reliable, pug was an absolute dog. we only kept it a year before getting fed up with it and firing it off in favour of a focus
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: The French Mistake
My brother had a Peugeot 405 SRi a few years ago. it was ok nothing outstanding though. My Grandad had a Citroen ZX at around the same time and it was forever going wrong.
So Gallic shrug for me.
By the way the options on the poll are in the wrong order. A James Blunt Album is worse than a dose of the clap. (Not that I have ever had the clap..)
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#15 (Post Link)
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Re: The French Mistake
Never owned a French car, but I'd rather have a dose of the clap than a James Blunt album.
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Re: The French Mistake
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Club Member Number: 7
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: The French Mistake
Had a T reg 1.4 RT clio as a second car/runaround,(2yr old)never had any problems with it in 3yrs I owned it,engine was a bit whiney  sometimes,but nippy enough for town and descent on m-ways.Comfy enough for the money,and had no issues at all. 
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Re: The French Mistake
Anyone who thinks all French cars are crap has never driven a decent one. I had a GTi6 a few years ago and its still one of the Quickest, best handling, confidence inspiring cars i have ever driven. I believe the 106 is also well regarded in this sense.
Also it never went wrong and like most Peugeot's rust is not an issue. If i had to moan about anything it would be the interior which was quite pleasant but tended to come away in your hands! 
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Re: The French Mistake
Had a Megane 1.6 eRT.
Fully loaded with all the electric toys and it weighted less than 1000Kg so was lively enough with only 90-odd BHP.
Reliability was never an issue and it could top 60mpg.
Superb all round car. Just a bit bland.
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AO Platinum Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: United Kingdom
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Re: The French Mistake
Just done the pre-MoT stuff on the Pug, so if she passes fair enough, after nineteen years of slogging.  : If she fails,and needs big bucks spending on her, well sorry Gertrude, knackers yard.  Doesn't owe us a brass farthing, but Shss! she may be replaced with a wee Fiat, after I have bid up on HM's GT, and assuming the 147 sells. Don't tell Gertrude about this, she may get' huffie' or summat' 
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#21 (Post Link)
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Re: The French Mistake
ive had 3, my first car was an e reg renault 5 tl, very basic, faded red paint, had it for 5 years, loved it as it was my first car.
i then replaced it with a renault 5 gt turbo, which was an awsome car, not overly reliable and was a bugger to start when warm, i loved it, absolute hoot to drive and way way quicker than my mates pug 205 gti. and also much quicker than a bmw 328 to 100mph
i also had a citroen BX Gti, which cost me £200  and was a heap of junk, but very quick(pug 205gti engine) and the suspension was amazing.
not sure id ever buy another french car, none of the current ones interest me enough to buy one, although big citroens are mad as a box of frogs.
id love the old citroen with the maserati engine, the DS i think. mad car with a mad engine.
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Re: The French Mistake
2 peugot's, a 1.4 205 owned for 4 years nothing ever went wrong the only costs were servicing (easy enough to do at home) and tyres. sold it with 114K miles on the clock and bought a 306 1.6 (still have it 6 years later, it's had an exaust, a battery, rear disks and a faulty connecter behind the front bumper (£375 diagnosis and repair largest bill so far). Cam belt @ 70K miles and 7years.
I wouldn't buy one that was built after about 2000 but the 2 I've had were brilliant cars, Drove and handled very well and for there engine size/ | |