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Help Greetings to the forum plus Veloce Crank Problem

Hello Forum. Good to meet you all.

I bought me a 2001 156 Veloce back at the end of may. lovely car - irresistable, especially since it had only done 44k.

Enjoyed driving it very much for the 10 days I had it in my possession , and it has been at the garage ever since !

To be fair I suspected an issue when I test drove it, but never thought the fault would be as has been discovered.

Crank needs replacing - anyoine with a shed load of knowledge know why this might be ?

Service book is as full as my boy's Panini sticker album, so it's been well looked after (??).

Plus cylinder 3 has been bored out disproportionately to the other 3 cylinders. My mechanic has sourced a replacement crank from Italy.

I am expecting a bill of 1500 upwards, but I oculd do with some background info aboiut what screws a crank up and what margin is there for fitting the wrong one ?

Only 44k remember !

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Re: Greetings to the forum plus Veloce Crank Problem

Hi there and sorry to hear of your woes, unfortunately this is a very common problem with the 16V twinspark engine,

there can be all sorts of reasons for bigend failure, but 2 main ones, oil starvation and pinching following belt failure...

what I reckon has happened to you is it's probably been run a little low on oil for a while, the 16v does tend to use a bit, and ultimately kills the bigends, but I would be inclined to fit a new oil pump when the engine is in bits just in case, for the sake of 100 you don't want to be looking at another 1500 bill!

so if it isn't to bad, the crank may be savable but there is very little can be ground from them.

I'm a bit concerned at the amount you are getting charged though, Alfa were doing factory recon engines ready to fit with belts & everything on for 1200,

and another thought, if it was only 10 days after you got it, have you no recourse against the garage you bought it from?

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Re: Greetings to the forum plus Veloce Crank Problem

I agree with 888dee, almost certainly the result of being run low on oil. The TS engine has a small sump, and can use up to a litre of oil per 1000 miles. So, if the previous owner didn't check the oil regularly the engine could have been run low. However, I too would think that after only 10 days you do have a claim against the garage you bought it from.
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Re: Greetings to the forum plus Veloce Crank Problem

ahh, gents, nice points about the oil pump.

the car was a private sale = buyer be-ware (or buyer be-stupid, as I have now coined it !)

Where did you see engines for £1200 please ? I checked around before committing to the work, and the best I could find was £2200 fitted.

To be fair, the quote was £1500 for the work, plus some brake work plus a cam belt change (obligatory on the crank fit ??) and major service. Am I getting fleeced here ?

The engineering firm supplying my garage was going to regrind the crank, but someone had already done it, plus they had had a go at the grinding of cylinder 3 (now we are into a grey area I don't understand). They then ordered the wrong crank in, and had to get anew one from Italy. Apparently, Alfa fitted a lightweight crank from 99 to 02, which they don't fit anymore (true ? or am I misinformed ?).

sigh..........
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Re: Greetings to the forum plus Veloce Crank Problem

Alfa_dude, I was told the £1200 by the local specialist who was getting that direct from Alfa, and at £2200 fitted, I expect they would be paying about that sort of figure for the engine....

anyway, I'm not surprised that a new crank was necessary, it really doesn't take much to right one of these off, but if this is a brand new crank being fitted you are actually doing pretty well, the list price of a crank from a dealer is over £1000!!!!

yes, it is imperative the belts and I would suggest the tensioners, idlers and variator are changed at the same time, again, the ones there may be serviceable but at about £150 for all of these bits it is worth while, sorry to be spending your money like this...
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obi wan never told you the truth about your father........

good to see the good book getting quoted.....
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