F1 2007 Season

[Mel Bonkers]

Originally Posted by AlfaLincs

Oh Bigfoot, how deluded you are when you say

"Tiniest mistake? You mean stealing 780 pages worth of Ferrari designs?"

The bloke who stole it was a FERRARI employee..I'l repeat that for you.... a FERRARI employee.(Clue..his first name is Nigel) remember now? I know its a long time ago.

AlfaLincs

Alfalincs,

The problem is not the stolen material.....it's USING the stolen material

[jamieboy]

Originally Posted by AlfaLincs

Oh Bigfoot, how deluded you are when you say

"Tiniest mistake? You mean stealing 780 pages worth of Ferrari designs?"

The bloke who stole it was a FERRARI employee..I'l repeat that for you.... a FERRARI employee.(Clue..his first name is Nigel) remember now? I know its a long time ago.

Surely, surely, we've done this to death?

For the record, I don't think there is much wrong with a Ferrari employee having a dossier of information relevant to his job.

A McLaren employee having a dossier of Ferrari information, and sprinkling tidbits of that information throughout the McLaren organisation, and the McLaren senior management either being genuinely ignorant of that fact or choosing to turn a blind eye to it - there seems to be something wrong with that.

[AlfaLincs]

Bigfoot more than inferred that Maclaren stole it. They didn't, neither did they attempt to steal it. What they did next is a matter of record.

I was just setting the record straight on who stole the document...A Ferrari employee....conveniently forgotten in some circles.

And..the unauthorised removal of a document from your employer....is theft. Of course if he was authorised it makes things a lot clearer, but he wasn't was he.

AlfaLincs

[Portti]

Originally Posted by Stori

Italian manufacturers have done well this year.....

F1-Ferrari/Räikkönen

...not bad for us Finns either. F1 championship for Finland and hopefully the WRC title will be ours once again since Marcus Grönholm has a good chance on winning that title.

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by selespeed

If and I say if BMW Sauber and Williams should be punished, it should been done the same way as McLaren was punished in Hungary for their illegal gearbox i.e. no points for the constructor championship and the drivers can keep their points.

No, I think they should have the same punishment as Honda last year with their illegal fuel system, i.e., disqualified from the race - you know it makes sense

[bluefoam]

I think everyone should be banned from the race except Lewis, cos he's just fab. We should give him the title cos he tried so hard...

[eltigro]

Originally Posted by 73GTVJim

I don't know about that for sure. I was reminded of it by Damon Hill referring to it as being illegal on the radio today.

It may have passed inspections because it's true nature was well hidden. The later commotion obviously came about because they knew that the illegal item could only have been discovered if soemone "knew" about it? I also understand it wasn't revised but had to be completely removed causing a redesign of the floor.

Whatever....its history now and Ferrari have won both championships fair and square ( ). Let's forgoet about the what might have beens and what should have beens and look ahead to next year.

Still no confirmation of Alonso moving to Renault, or better still Spyker?

There was nothing fancy about the flexi floor. it simply pass the spring test that the FIA applied to it. It was consequently discovered that the load test wasnt strong enough so the FIA increased it. once the test was increased ferrari and a few other teams had to fit a stronger spring sytem limited or completely negating the positive effects of the flexi-floor.

the ONLY reason Ferrari wasnt penalised is that there system AT THE TIME prior to the rule change for the next race fully complied with the FIA rules.

there is NO DOUBT ferrari would have been docked points if they were in clear breach of the rules, Ferrari just seem to have a way of finding loopholes that then get plugged (quite rightly) by the FIA

Damon Hill is an old has been who like stirling moss and jackie stewart loves to get there name in the papers and be controversial.

see here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57650

ET

[AlfaLincs]

El Tigro

Our man on the inside of F1 (Chrispy) gave us all the info we needed to know about the Ferrari flexi floor (the one with the hidden hinge in it....) Your take on it is..how shall I say...interesting.

AlfaLincs

[73GTVJim]

Originally Posted by ElTigro_UK

Ferrari just seem to have a way of finding loopholes that then get plugged (quite rightly) by the FIA

Don't they just....

Originally Posted by ElTigro_UK

Damon Hill is an old has been who like stirling moss and jackie stewart loves to get there name in the papers and be controversial.

see here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57650

ET

Sorry chap but you are well out of order. They are all ex champions, and excellent ambassodors for the sport. Their voices carry more weight and authority than non-entities like thee and me who watch it on telly and think we are more knowledgeable than them.

[73GTVJim]

Originally Posted by AlfaLincs

El Tigro

Our man on the inside of F1 (Chrispy) gave us all the info we needed to know about the Ferrari flexi floor (the one with the hidden hinge in it....) Your take on it is..how shall I say...interesting.

AlfaLincs

....and what he said.

I like Ferrari but I'm not blind to their machinations - sometimes it winds me up because for years they've had preferential treatment and everyone accepts it as being OK somehow because "well, Ferrari is special.." .

[selespeed]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

No, I think they should have the same punishment as Honda last year with their illegal fuel system, i.e., disqualified from the race - you know it makes sense

You just want Lewis to win the championship. Is it because he is British or is it because he drives a silver ferrari?

[AlfaLincs]

Now whats that famous saying...ah yes..I remember now....


"ITS ALL OVER BAR THE SHOUTING"

AlfaLincs

[73GTVJim]

I'm with Stirling on this. Lewis would gain more kudos from refusing to entertain taking the title this way. I think LH and his dad, and McLaren are astute enough to see that.



....Alonso on the other hand, despite his comments today, would DEFINITELY take the title any way it came. Grubby or otherwise.

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by selespeed

You just want Lewis to win the championship. Is it because he is British or is it because he drives a silver ferrari?

Neither, its because he doesn't drive a red Ferrari, and isn't a big cry baby who expects his team mate to let him win

[PR]

Well Damon said he thought the FIA should be more even handed with penalties, and disqualify the illegal fuel teams and drivers. Errr, like they disqualified the McLarens drivers.....No. Like they docked points for an illegal gearbox......No. Like they docked points for driving like an idiot behind the safety car........no (though this one isn't as clear). Like docking points for using more tyres than permitted........no. Ok Damon I agree with you, treat them as they have others all season!

[eltigro]

Originally Posted by PR

Well Damon said he thought the FIA should be more even handed with penalties, and disqualify the illegal fuel teams and drivers. Errr, like they disqualified the McLarens drivers.....No. Like they docked points for an illegal gearbox......No. Like they docked points for driving like an idiot behind the safety car........no (though this one isn't as clear). Like docking points for using more tyres than permitted........no. Ok Damon I agree with you, treat them as they have others all season!

well said, DH just loves the sound of his own voice, any everyone is gutted because poor little hammy choked, and ITV are gutted cus they were all dying for a hammy win, they just couldn't hide it.

So much for imaprtial journalism & commentry.

KR one the most races and in the second half of the season finished when it mattered. hence being a worthy champ.

interestingly Ferrari would have won both outcomes regardsless of all the legal disqualifications

ET

[Friggertool]

Oh well, at least Leeds won. Again.

[andyroo75]

If the problem is deemed a fuel irregularity, the punishment should be the same as it was for Button when it happened to him.
Different offence yes but the principal is the same.
The only issue is the reliability of the readings in both the ambient air temperature and of the fuel supply. Both have been doubted. So can or should they realisticly pursue the offence? Or in light of the recent numerous court hearings should energies be focused on next season?
In reality it could have been faulty machinery regulating the fuel. Yes probably the responsibility of the teams to check but a possibility. Likely to be unintentional.

[andyroo75]

Originally Posted by Friggertool

Oh well, at least Leeds won. Again.

Dont they need to win every game this season tost to achieve 'Zero' points??

[Alfettafan]

So much for Ron Dennis not appealing the "spygate" decision for the sake of the sport - he is quite happy now to make F1 a laughing stock and tarnish it's image for good by carrying on with this appeal. He has a short memory - just how many transgressions and how many controversies has his McLaren team been involved in this year alone. Cheats and sore losers, eh Ron, what a class act your and your organisation are...

[Friggertool]

Originally Posted by andyroo75

Dont they need to win every game this season tost to achieve 'Zero' points??

League tables a bit too complicated for you eh?... They're 6 points off the lead.

[BigFoot]

Well, in the end, Dennis did get his Constructors' trophy …

[BigFoot]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

Neither, its because he doesn't drive a red Ferrari, and isn't a big cry baby who expects his team mate to let him win

You seem to forget Monaco Gary. Crybaby Hamilton kicked up the fuss that ultimately cracked the team spirit and balance

[BigFoot]

I do think LH needs to still learn a lot in F1, particularly given his mistakes in China/Brazil but here is a rumour that he might have caused the problem on his car at the last GP: linky

I guess we'll never know for sure.

[BigFoot]

Looks like Hamilton has admitted it was him pressing the wrong button: linky