F1 2007 Season

[73GTVJim]

Originally Posted by jamieboy

I mentioned this a couple of times back on page 125 but it's really a different scenario.

Yes, I accept that Jamie but in principle it is not that far apart IMO.

Originally Posted by jamieboy

At McLaren, the suggestion is that one of the drivers is being punished for telling the truth to the FIA, and at the time the FIA said they would be keeping an eye out to see that didn't happen. The team's intention (if it were true) being that they want to make sure one of their drivers beats the other of their drivers, because they have a grudge against him and want to teach him a lesson.

Didn't he start complaining about inferior equipment and treatment before the FIA case came to light? The claim isn't supported by his times in various sectors of tracks.

Originally Posted by jamieboy

In the other case, you have one of the drivers and the team conspiring against the other driver - that's not fair.

"Allegedly conspiring against the other driver" according to the slower/less winning driver.

Originally Posted by jamieboy

Like I said before, I don't believe Alonso's allegations, but I think having the extra scrutineer there is the only way for McLaren to prove their innocence.

Or have Alonso use Hamilton's car and give his mechanics time to correct change Alonso's settings.

[BigFoot]

And to think I will miss the race (it's at 3am here in Japan).

[PC7671]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

And to think I will miss the race (it's at 3am here in Japan).

Get up and watch it, then go back to bed. Last chance till March 2008.

[Drivers71]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

And to think I will miss the race (it's at 3am here in Japan).

What on earth will you be doing at 3am BF? If it's preferable to witnessing the two McLonalds wiping each other out at the first bend, I'd really like to know what it is!

[BigFoot]

Originally Posted by PC7671

Get up and watch it, then go back to bed. Last chance till March 2008.

Originally Posted by Drivers71

What on earth will you be doing at 3am BF? If it's preferable to witnessing the two McLonalds wiping each other out at the first bend, I'd really like to know what it is!

I hear you guys ... but I think I'll tape it instead

[jamieboy]

Originally Posted by 73GTVJim

Yes, I accept that Jamie but in principle it is not that far apart IMO.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, Jim. IMO, they're miles apart in principle.

[bazza]

Jamieboy, the difference you're stating seems to just be whether the second driver is a willing part of it.
If two football teams decided who would win an end-of-season clash in order to allow one of them to be champion, would that be OK as long as they were both happy with it?

[jamieboy]

Originally Posted by bazza

Jamieboy, the difference you're stating seems to just be whether the second driver is a willing part of it.
If two football teams decided who would win an end-of-season clash in order to allow one of them to be champion, would that be OK as long as they were both happy with it?

A bit different, because there isn't a team championship and a player championship in football.

To try and fit the analogy:
Ferrari would be like all the players on one team trying to pass the ball to their best striker, so he can score loads of goals and the team will win.

McLaren would be like most of the players and the manager working out a game plan that left one of their two star strikers without a sight of the ball for the entire game and tying his laces together, so their other striker can score more goals than him regardless of whether their team wins or not.

That's a bit laboured, but it's the best I can do.

Ferrari strategy revolved around helping one of their drivers perform better than he might otherwise be able to.
McLaren are accused of making sure one of their drivers performs less well than he might otherwise be able to.

Rubens was asked to move over for Michael, but his car was never sabotaged to ensure that he was slower. That's the allegation Alonso is making, and to me that's a big difference between the two situations. Although as I keep saying, I don't think it's true.

[PR]

How will the ban on team "orders" come into play on sunday, say if the following happened....

Massa leading Raikonnen with the 2 Mcs in low points scoring positions after a collision early on. Massa moves over and Raiks wins, winning title. Legal?

As for the Schumacher debate, he had the spare car set up all the time, first choice with strategy, and any experimenting with tyres etc.. done on team mates car. Apart from that what advantages did he get? He was a bloke who called the design team daily throughout the winter with his inputs and suggestions. He put the work in and was quickest in a high percentage of his races (v team mate).

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Apparently, Mercedes gives Alonso the boot

Well, lets face it, Alonso hasn't exactly been a good embassador for them, or indeed for the sport...

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Nah, Ferrari is Evil, you know that PR... just ask Gary ...

Of course, that's why they dress in red

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

And to think I will miss the race (it's at 3am here in Japan).

I think I might miss it too, as I don't know if my nerves can take it - that and the rugby world cup finals

[BigFoot]

I think huge amounts of alcohol can help you soothe your nerves Gary

[HSTDriver]

Isn't Brazil an early evening race here in Britain? In which case I'll miss it because I'm on at super-mega-stupid-o' clock on monday morning.....

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

I think huge amounts of alcohol can help you soothe your nerves Gary

Good thinking BF

[jamieboy]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

Good thinking BF

Yep, if it's good enough for Kimi...

[Kevin Slegg]

Originally Posted by jamieboy

Yep, if it's good enough for Kimi...

What, is that Kimi's secret weapon to win the championship???

[BigFoot]

Yep, but no one has told him he should drink after the race, not before

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Yep, but no one has told him he should drink after the race, not before

Well, I think that someone must have - as that explains his recent upturn in form

[BigFoot]

Nah, it's due to Ferrari cheating and putting a twin turbo in his car

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Nah, it's due to Ferrari cheating and putting a twin turbo in his car

That would explain it - I wonder if McLaren will put one in Hamilton's car for this weekend

[BigFoot]

Nope but they'll forget to inflate Alonso's tires

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Nope but they'll forget to inflate Alonso's tires

Or maybe even his tyres

[BigFoot]

You and your posh British spelling ... ...

[Gary Slegg]