F1 2007 Season

[Ralf S.]

Originally Posted by jamieboy

... it's not just 'normal' stuff like Hamilton getting a new aero part before he does, it involves deliberately changing things on Alonso's car to make it go slower.

I don't buy that. I think that within the team, McLyin' are scrupulously fair - a sort of (dare I say?) "hounour amongst thieves".




Ralf S.

[PC7671]

At the end of the session backing the driver with the best chance of victory when your Opponents are still able to win doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing to do.

[Big Jon]

Originally Posted by AlfaLincs

He will fit in well at Ferrari where they win arrogantly and lose badly.

He didn't fit in well at McLaren who, IMHO, are twice as arrogant and whinge twice as much when they lose.

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by PC7671

At the end of the session backing the driver with the best chance of victory when your Opponents are still able to win doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing to do.

Exactly, so why can't McLaren back Lewis, particularly as Kimi is still in the hunt...

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by Big Jon

He didn't fit in well at McLaren who, IMHO, are twice as arrogant and whinge twice as much when they lose.

The evidence is contrary to that view. For example, McLaren never appealed when MS won in France (clinching the Championship) when he'd overtaken Kimi under yellow flags...

[jamieboy]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

The evidence is contrary to that view. For example, McLaren never appealed when MS won in France (clinching the Championship) when he'd overtaken Kimi under yellow flags...

Couple of things about that one, though - firstly, MS was always going to win that season, it would have been churlish for McLaren to protest and prolong the agony until the next race.

Secondly, Kimi had gone off the track inside the yellow flag area. MS didn't force past him under racing conditions, Kimi fell off the road on someone else's oil.

Thirdly, Ron apparently did complain to the race stewards, but didn't take it any further when they said that because Kimi had gone off the track, there wasn't really a case to answer.

[Chrispy]

So far as Alonso claims of doctored tyre pressures to slow him down, on his qualifying lap he still set his personal best sector time in the first sector, then wasn't as fast as the others (but was close to PB's) in the 2nd and 3rd sectors.
Doesn't sound like someone with bad pressures to me. At least, not in the tyres.

[Drivers71]

Originally Posted by PC7671

At the end of the session backing the driver with the best chance of victory when your Opponents are still able to win doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing to do.

Quite an understatement PC.......I'd put it a lot stronger: If a team went into the last race with both their drivers up for the championship, along with one other contender, and they DIDN'T employ favouritism, I'd say they were flippin' stupid. Even more effing stupid is a 'rule' which says they will be punished if they do so. On the subject of previous penalties (or non-penalties) for Ferrari, only the FIA deemed their favouring one driver above another as illegal. The whole team, including both drivers and anyone else in the world who has the remotest interest in motor sport, knew exactly what Ferrari were doing, and they never tried to disguise it behind stated driver 'equality'.
History shows us that Ferrari were far from alone in doing this in the past, as almost every team would put their major efforts behind their number one driver. Penalising this fundamental right of the manufacturers is one of many confounding regulations that have recently appeared, and are increasingly spoiling our beautiful sport. Those who state that it is more popular now than it has ever been are definitely confusing TV viewing figures and celebritism with racing quality. IMHO.

[HSTDriver]

Originally Posted by Ralf S.

And footage of the Kennedy assassination quite clearly shows a man wearing a red shirt *in the crowd*


Probably you only been watching F1 for a couple of seasons... or is 2005 beyond your recall now..?


Ralf S.

Been watching F1 since the heady days when they actually raced each other, slick tyres, no refueling, differing engine notes, drivers who actually had an effect on the car performance.....

[Kevin Slegg]

Originally Posted by captkirkham

I see the FIA are appointing a srutineer to make sure Mclaren give F.A and L.H equality. Is it me, but what the ****** has it got to do with the FIA.
If a team has only one piece of new kit they decide who's car to put it, I can't remember the FIA ever helping Massa, Barrichslow or Irvine out when Scum-macher was driving and had the pick of anything new.
I am getting so fed up with mad max, I hope Jackie Stewart sues his *** off!

Rather ironic that Alonso's and Ron Dennis' relationship hit rock bottom because Alonso wanted 1 driver (HIM) to be treated preferentially; but now he's desperate for equal treatment

[pierre_samanni]

Talking about Alonso, has anyone noticed how large his neck has become over the last months? And how, despite the physical stress on his body, he doesn't look "dry", like a cyclist or triathlon athlete would? He does have the looks of someone on steroids...

And aren't paranoia and anger a side effect of taking steroids?

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[BigFoot]

That's an interesting point Pierre.

[kat156]

When we became Alfa parents, in the heady days of Aug '07 it was said 'but you won't see them racing in f1' maybe one day though! F1 is strangly tantelizing, and does occassionally draw me into the room, onto a sofa and I can't leave the room.

[pierre_samanni]

Originally Posted by Kevin Slegg

Rather ironic that Alonso's and Ron Dennis' relationship hit rock bottom because Alonso wanted 1 driver (HIM) to be teated preferentially; but now he's desperate for equal treatment

It's also ironic how both Renault and Alonso's "entourage" deny that any contract has been signed for Alonso to move to Renault.

1. It's 100% obvious that Alonso cannot stay at McLaren.
2. It seems reasonably obvious that negotiations are under way between McLaren and Renault so that Renault will buy out Alonso's remaining 2 years.
3. It's obvious that Renault is going to wait as long as possible so as to lower that price.
4. It's obvious that Alonso is told by Renault not to make any public declaration until the Renault-McLaren deal is sealed.
5. It's obvious that Alonso does not want the deal to be sealed or announced before the end of the GP in Brazil so that his (part of the McLaren) team won't let him down.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

[Gary Slegg]

If only Max could talk as much sense as Stewart

[BigFoot]

Agreed. The special supervisor for the last race is such a bad precedent

[Kevin Slegg]

Yeah, FIA seem to be loosing the plot and making themselves and the sport look pants

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

Agreed. The special supervisor for the last race is such a bad precedent

Yes, really now that the FIA have done this they will have to ensure that all drivers are treated the same in all teams, and in all races...

Mosley is such a tw*t

[BigFoot]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

Mosley is such a tw*t

I think the fault lies with the Spanish Automobiles Society for asking for one.

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by BigFoot

I think the fault lies with the Spanish Automobiles Society for asking for one.

Yeah, but the FIA didn't have to agree...

[BigFoot]

I think it's hard for them to do so, as the Spanish Automobile Association, or whatever it's called, is a member of FIA.

[73GTVJim]

Originally Posted by Kevin Slegg

Rather ironic that Alonso's and Ron Dennis' relationship hit rock bottom because Alonso wanted 1 driver (HIM) to be treated preferentially; but now he's desperate for equal treatment

He still doesn't actually mean he wants equal treatment. It is still his comfort blanket for dealing with a rookie driving the wheels off him ("of course, it couldn't happen unless they give him superior equipment and preferential treatment").

[73GTVJim]

Originally Posted by Gary Slegg

Yes, really now that the FIA have done this they will have to ensure that all drivers are treated the same in all teams, and in all races...

Mosley is such a tw*t

Isn't this such a load of cobblers? If they were so worried about teams deliberately treating drivers unequally why did they never do anything about Ferrari during the Schuey years?

[Gary Slegg]

Originally Posted by 73GTVJim

Isn't this such a load of cobblers? If they were so worried about teams deliberately treating drivers unequally why did they never do anything about Ferrari during the Schuey years?

Exactly, the FIA are showing just how biased they are. If Mosley had an ounce of decency he'd resign

[BigFoot]

I think it's Ron Cheating Angel Dennis who should resign over what happened with the Spy Scandal