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Old 17-03-2006   #126 (Post Link)
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Re: F1 2006 season

Friday practice session two

1. DAVIDSON Honda 1m35.041s
2. WURZ Williams 1m35.388s
3. ALONSO Renault 1m35.806s
4. MASSA Ferrari 1m35.924s
5. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m36.132s
6. FISICHELLA Renault 1m36.182s
7. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m36.617s
8. BUTTON Honda 1m36.661s
9. VILLENEUVE BMW 1m37.045s
10. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m37.270s
11. TRULLI Toyota 1m37.317s
12. HEIDFELD BMW 1m37.418s
13. KUBICA BMW 1m37.457s
14. MONTOYA McLaren 1m37.463s
15. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m37.590s
16. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m37.603s
17. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m37.695s
18. JANI Toro Rosso 1m37.831s
19. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m37.926s
20. WEBBER Williams 1m38.081s
21. ROSBERG Williams 1m38.205s
22. MONDINI MF1 1m38.256s
23. KLIEN Red Bull 1m38.644s
24. ALBERS MF1 1m38.918s
25. DOORNBOS Red Bull 1m39.105s
26. MONTEIRO MF1 1m39.416s
27. SATO Super Aguri 1m41.549s
28. IDE Super Aguri 1m43.164s

Friday practice session one

1. WURZ Williams 1m34.946s
2. KUBICA BMW 1m35.733s
3. DAVIDSON Honda 1m35.997s
4. MONTOYA McLaren 1m36.709s
5. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m37.042s
6. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m37.043s
7. MASSA Ferrari 1m37.557s
8. DOORNBOS Red Bull 1m37.604s
9. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m37.826s
10. KLIEN Red Bull 1m38.448s
11. JANI Toro Rosso 1m38.668s
12. TRULLI Toyota 1m38.837s
13. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m39.599s
14. MONTEIRO MF1 1m39.899s
15. MONDINI MF1 1m40.092s
16. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m40.123s
17. ALBERS MF1 1m40.608s
18. SATO Super Aguri 1m41.072s
19. IDE Super Aguri 1m43.449s
20. RAIKKONEN McLaren no time
21. ALONSO Renault no time
22. FISICHELLA Renault no time
23. VILLENEUVE BMW no time
24. HEIDFELD BMW no time
25. WEBBER Williams no time
26. ROSBERG Williams no time
27. BARRICHELLO Honda no time
28. BUTTON Honda no time

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Old 17-03-2006   #127 (Post Link)
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I have my fingers crossed for a good showing from Williams this weekend. After that performance from Rosberg last week, anything is possible at Sepang. With those huge straight the Cossie will be in it's element. The high temperatures will suit Bridgestone's more than Michelin if the speculation is correct.
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The following was sent to me by an F1 fan. He's disappointed with the new regulations. The essence of his argument is that "F1 is becoming NASCAR," meaning that all the teams are essentially going to be driving nearly identical cars. Yes we both know it isn't quite that bad yet, but it's getting there. The article comes from F1racing.net (with major bits swiped from the BMW-Sauber website).

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BMW compares V10 to V8 engines
01 March 2006
The decision to switch from V10 to V8 engines in Formula One was made at the end of 2004, leaving the engine specialists to focus their efforts over 2005 on the new regulations. 2006 sees the culmination of the switchover phase.

As BMW Motorsport Director Mario Theissen explains: "The development of a V8 power plant for Formula One represented a huge challenge for our engineers - especially given the relatively short amount of time at their disposal. The V8 is a totally different concept to the V10. The drop in output is roughly proportional to the 20 percent reduction in displacement. I would therefore expect lap times to climb by an average of one to two seconds."

"The reduced output on tap for the drivers means the cars will spend significantly more time per lap under peak loads. Reliability is top priority. We can't wait for the serious action to get under way in Bahrain on 12th March. Only then will we get an impression of who's really been doing their homework."

Differences

Although the V8 with the now compulsory cylinder angle of 90 degrees may look like a sawn-off V10, technically it is an entirely separate concept with its own specific requirements. The V8 has a distinct firing sequence and demands a fundamentally different crankshaft design. Whereas a 72-degree offset crankshaft was used in BMW's V10 Formula One engine, V8 power plants can feature crankshafts with either four throws spaced at 90 degrees or four throws spaced at 180 degrees.

Standard production engines are fitted with 90-degree crankshaft variants due to their better dynamic attributes, but a 180-degree crankshaft is favoured in racing car engine design. The improved performance this allows offsets the disadvantages in terms of dynamics.

Indeed, mechanical dynamics and vibrations represent a particularly critical area of development for the new generation of Formula One engines. The V8 units have different firing sequences and intervals from their V10 predecessors, which leads to a totally different situation in terms of vibrations. The V10 entered a critical area in terms of vibrations between 12,000 rpm and 14,000 rpm. However, this was not an issue as the engine did not spend much time in this rev band and smoothed itself out again once the driver stepped up the revs. And, since that was where it spent the majority of its time, vibrations were not a worry.

A V8, on the other hand, is not so well off. Its vibration curve enters critical territory later than the V10 - from approximately 16,000 rpm - and continues to climb from there. It is therefore no longer possible to think in terms of getting through a difficult patch and everything will be all right. Now, the problem of constantly increasing vibrations has to be confronted head on. If you don't get a handle on vibrations, they will eat into the service life of the engine and multiply the loads exerted on chassis components. In order to get on top of this problem, the calculation and analysis of each individual engine component has to be totally reliable. However, analysis of the individual components is only part of a bigger challenge. Determining how they work with and against each other in simulations of the overall system is the main task.

Restrictions
Reduced mass should mean less in the way of "bad vibrations". However, the regulations have sensibly nipped any natural tendency among the teams to reach straight for exotic - and expensive - ultra-light materials in the bud. The engineers work with conventional titanium and aluminium alloys, as stipulated in the regulations.

The new V8 has to be heavier than its predecessor, even though the 2005 engine had two extra cylinders. This season's powerplants must tip the scales at no less than 95 kilograms. This should include the intake system up to and including the air filter, fuel rail and injectors, ignition coils, sensors and wiring, alternator, coolant pumps and oil pumps. It does not include liquids, exhaust manifolds, heat protection shields, oil tanks, accumulators, heat exchangers and the hydraulic pump.

Added to which, the new regulations stipulate that the engine's centre of gravity must be at least 165 millimetres above the lower edge of the oil sump. The experts had previously managed to lower the ten-cylinder engine's centre of gravity to the benefit of the car's handling. However, the longitudinal and lateral position of the V8's centre of gravity has to be in the geometric centre of the engine (+/-50 millimetres).

For the technical commission, checking that everything is in order no longer consists of a simple weighing process. Now, making sure that the rules have been observed involves weighing on two levels and making calculations according to the lever principle.

Previously a closely guarded secret, the dimensions of the cylinder bore are now limited to a maximum 98 millimetres. The gap between the cylinders is also set out in the rulebook - at 106.5 millimetres (+/- 0.2 mm). The central axis of the crankshaft must not lie any less than 58 millimetres above the reference plane

Another critical change in the regulations is the ban on variable intake systems. Known as "trumpets", these systems could previously be used to optimise the car's torque curve. The fixed duct lengths will now make achieving good engine driveability a more exacting challenge. The teams will have to strike a compromise between maximum power and good driveability. Where the best compromise for the pipe lengths is to be found depends on various factors. The track layout and the weather, for example, both play a role.

The teams will favour one set of intake pipe lengths for circuits with long straights - like Monza, Indianapolis and Spa - where power is critical, and a different selection for twistier grand prix tracks such as Budapest and Monaco, where driveability relegates raw power to the back seat. The same applies in wet weather. The air intakes are, by definition, part of the engine and are included in its 95-kilogram maximum overall weight, but they can also be changed up to qualifying.
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Some very different strategies will be at play tomorrow. A few heavy cars as well as light in the mix. But still, well done to the Williams boys. They are having a great start to the season I really feared the worst for them when they lost BMW. Hope I don't jinx them.
This one should be a corker as well.

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M.Schumacher and probably his brother as well
F.Massa - TWO ENGINE CHANGES
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Good qualy! That Rosberg is something a bit special

Now, will I make it up at 6am tomorrow!?
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I'm confused by the engine situation

Is Scumi starting from 10th then (he qualied 4th but takes a 10 place drop)

My brain hurts
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The final grid won't be confirmed until Sunday morning, which thinking about it is probably now as Malaysia are a fair few hours ahead. I tihnk this is because so many drivers are getting engine change penalties. Those who have changed engines this weekend but before the qually session get a 10 place drop. Any who blew in qually OR have changed an engine since the session will have to start from the back of the grid. That does put quite a few cars at the very back, eg Massa with 2 10-place drops and Ralf Schumacher starting 10 places back from a 10th place qualification.

The question is what order to you apply these penalties to the drivers? For example, Michael Schumcher gets relegated 10 places from 4th to 14th. Yet Ralf was in 10th but has been relegated to the back of the grid. Does this therefore promote Michael Schumacher to 13th? I think it might. Strange.

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Looking at the latest news he (MS) starts 11th but ITV listed him at 10th this morning. Not getting up @ 6AM but will Sky+ it & video it just it case Sky fcuks up overnight!!

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After last weekend's high what a low point this time around

Well done to Massa though. The Renault's looked as if they were cruising around by comparison to the rest

I'm not a fan of this engine changing rule Too many quick teams suffered. F1 is supposed to be the pinacle of racing & the richest of motoring sports so why cost cut

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. There shouldn't be room for sandbaggers IMO

To me it's all about going flat out regardless & not turning engines down to make them last. Look at the ridiculous tyre situation last year

All the *****ing s starting too again over wings, mirrors, sidepods you name it. All teams are guilty of it for one reason or another. Just get on & race
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The next formal complaint is that the McLaren is tooooooo Shiney !!!
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Originally Posted by sbaddison
Looking at the latest news he (MS) starts 11th but ITV listed him at 10th this morning. Not getting up @ 6AM but will Sky+ it & video it just it case Sky fcuks up overnight!!

Cheers,
Can someone explain the rules on engine changing too me now. As you say, ITV originally had MS down at 10, but in fact he started from 14th, which is what I originally thought he would do. My even Brundle and Blundel seemed totally confused by this aspect of the rules this year.
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its renault again today and looking like them again this season. they have faster cars and very reliable too. funny how their road cars are ****e in that department!
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Originally Posted by Gary Slegg
Can someone explain the rules on engine changing too me now. As you say, ITV originally had MS down at 10, but in fact he started from 14th, which is what I originally thought he would do. My even Brundle and Blundel seemed totally confused by this aspect of the rules this year.
I believe each car much try and last a minimum of 2 races using the same engine,else penalties are enforced.If they willingly decide to change their engine after the first race,they will lose 10 spots on the starting grid for the following race.However if there is an engine failure during the first race,they can use a new engine with no penalty for the next.
What sux is what happened last time when an engine failed after it passed the checkered flag.They incure this penalty because it did not officially happen whilst racing.
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Well one thing is certain - Renault absolutely dominated the field in very tough conditions weather wise and track wise. I'm just loving the way they do their business.The team were pushing their drivers every time the team radio was transmitted on TV.

Again Kimi shunted out….amazing this guy should go to an Indian shaman or something to get his bad luck or curse out of his system. I really felt that the only cars capable of keeping up with the champs were Williams and of course Button after Kimi was out. But they obviously couldn't handle the heat and full throttle behind cars(both of them were close behind) Even though they’ve done a lot of long distance testing they haven’t done it in Malaysia type conditions.

But well done Fisi(even though I think he hasn't proven himself yet) this is one of his best drives in his career - under pressure pushed hard by Alonso.

Montoya slow yet again I hope that in both races it was equipment related we'll see. And Ferrari were slow especially MS when you consider what Kimi did last race getting podium from the back of the field. Bring on Melbourne

PS: And personally I'm loving the *****ing(over Wings/Sidepods) and the drama it's part of the flying circus called f1. Great Stuff!!

THIS JUST IN!!
Ferrari agree to drop 'flexy' wing for Australia
"Ferrari have agreed to scrap their 'flexy' rear wing ahead of the Australian Grand Prix following a quiet word from the FIA."
http://www.planet-f1.com/News/Story_...096600,00.html

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Originally Posted by sbaddison