F1 season 2005

Originally Posted by PeterWolf

I agree and he (Mosley) wasn't at the race--behind his desk again. No i didn't see LeMans apparently Audi was dominating again.

saw some of it but yes yet again it was Audi all the way, still at least these cars kept going for 24 hours - thats value for money for the fans. Manufacturer support is so fickle for sportcars though. Porsche hop in and out like and over active rabbit

guys...come on
michellin blow it up, what did u want? special rules for them?
FIA didnt say that they couldnt run. chicanes, new tyres, pfff
if they cant turn safelly, just slow down, or go to pit to change...
easy

Originally Posted by MarcoR

guys...come one
michellin blow it up, what did u want? special rules for them?
FIA didnt say that they couldnt run. chicanes, new tyres, pfff
if they cant turn safelly, just slow down, or go to pit to change...
easy

no MarcoR, see my ealier post - I agree Michelin got it wrong but as I say this is about the tyre company settling scores with each other and F1 is suffering as a result. Neither Michelin or B'stone are trurely interested in what is the best thign for F1 - just in selling tyres.

sorry
ur right.

F1 is more comercial than motorsport
and uncle bernie is the one we have to....hmmmm....kick

yep him and his good buddy Mosley. You know I thought Balestre (sorry spelling) was bad but Mosley has let the power carry him away. He needs to go but please don't replace him with Todt

Originally Posted by MarcoR

sorry
ur right.

F1 is more comercial than motorsport
and uncle bernie is the one we have to....hmmmm....kick

Read a good portion of the threads before posting ignorant replies. We know who is at fault and we know who made the problem even worst this race-if i can call it a race.

Originally Posted by PeterWolf

"""""I was under the impression that both the tyre types taken to the US had the problem as they had the same carcass consruction. However the propsed tyres that were to be flown in , supposedly did not have this problem.
Proposals included
1)backing off by Michelin drivers in corner 13-a recipe for disaster . Just watch races where some one backs off slightly and gets shunted by a faster car. (This is a high speed corner otherwise there would not have been a problem with tyres)
Also even if you run at a reduced speed, what reduced speed was going to be acceptable and how were you going to make sure that drivers would not get "racy" in turn 13 after all they are racing drivers.


2) Bringing in an untried tyre...nice to test the tyre out in a Race... (might have been worse than the failing Michelin and handling would """"""



We seem to agree Stori ,but i think that some kind of tires were flown in but the problem was that they all shared the same mesh base. Nevermind that but i absolutely agree with the idiotic slow down in turn 13 idea WTF!! WHO COMES UP with these pearlsGenius

I suspect from under the nearest rock

Bugger whether Ferrari is always blamed etc... I want Alfa Romeo back in F1

Have to laugh,the 7 teams that did not race are being "charged" with bringing the sport into disrepute because they prefered their drivers "alive" rather than the FIA's prefered " Dead"

There's a lot of "missing the point".

Michelin didn't bring a tyre that could last more than 10 laps. If all the teams bought a similar spec' gearbox, whose fault would it be...?

End of story.

Ralf S.

Originally Posted by Stori

Have to laugh,the 7 teams that did not race are being "charged" with bringing the sport into disrepute because they prefered their drivers "alive" rather than the FIA's prefered "Dead"

Huh?



Nah! No-one can be that stupid.

Could they?

Originally Posted by PeterWolf

Read a good portion of the threads before posting ignorant replies.

Take it easy mate. Think twice before post an arsh reply such the one on quote.

FIA's letter to the Michelin seven
Tue 21 Jun, 12:05 PM

'Dear Sir,

Article 151c of the International Sporting Code

You are hereby requested to appear at the forthcoming meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council which is to be held in Paris on 29 June 2005 (FIA 8 place de la Concorde, 75008 Paris, meeting room "Salle du Comite" at 09:30 hrs to answer charges that, in breach of the above, you committed one or more acts prejudicial to the interests of a competition, namely the 2005 United States Grand Prix and/or to the interests of motor sport generally in that you…
- failed to ensure that you had a supply of suitable tyres for the race and/or
- wrongfully refused to all allow your cars to start the race and/or
- wrongfully refused to allow your cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner which was safe for such tyres as you had available and/or
- combined with other teams to make a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula One by pulling into the pits immediately before the start of the race.

And that you failed to notify the stewards of your intention not to race in breach of article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

A full dossier will be sent to you within 48 hours At this hearing you may assisted by the council of your choice

Should you wish to send us any comments in writing before this meeting we will make sure that they are circulated to the members of the World Motor Sport Council.

Yours faithfully FIA'

I'd like to make some useful remarks after all the debate:
1. Things look a little bit clearer now (after Indy) as far as team performances is concerned and many conclusions may be drawn for the huge time differences between Ferrari and the other teams this year.
2. After the implementation of the new rules Michelin tyres look like they were built on the edge of the safety-performance line whereas Bridgestone seem to have played it safe losing a lot on performance.
2. The signs for Michelin were visible since Nurburgring or even earlier in demanding tracks. Raikkonen's front tyre wear in Europe GP was unexpectedly fast (to say the least). The tremendous performance of this year's Michelin tyres that boosted Renault and McLaren as well as other "average" teams has a price and now they will pay it.
3. The rules should apply to everyone with no exception. Trying to find ways around them when they don't suit some teams is not bad for the teams but for the sport itself. The same thing happened with Bar-Honda.
4. The sport needs to be protected by the teams as well as FIA. Silly requests like ad-hoc chicane construction 1 hour prior to any race is a mockery of the sport. As Jean Todt correctly put it how would it sound if Ferrari had asked to be timed on the third of 3 qualifying laps because the bridgestone tyres perform better after 2 laps??!!!
5. Finally a company like Michelin should take better care about protecting it's image because imho this will have huge impact on the company's sales worldwide. "If they can't guarantee safety on a single race how well can they do it on street tyres that should last at least 40000km?" Very badly handled situation indeed.

Good points. Well made.

The FIA and everyone can blame Michelin as much as they like.
But the real blame goes to those that could not come up with sensible solution

The problem is that when you set up a tyre war, by having more than one supplier, then you are more likely to have a situation where something goes wrong. In this case the failure by Michelin to properly supply a tyre that could meet the requirements of a race left the teams with no real racing solution.

The tyres were failing after a very short period. Aparently ,the only solution that was going to be acceptable was for Michelin runners to run slow through the fastest corner on the track. Now not only is this a recipe for disaster, but how slow were the drivers to drive to make sure that a tyre did not fail.......

The racing solution would have been to penalise the Michelin runners (atleast put them at the back of the grid as for an engine change)and put in a chicane to slow the traffic. I believe this has been done in the past during a race meeting on safety grounds.

In reality, no one wanted a solution ,as each and everyone had their own vested interests to protect/push.

The FIA got exactly what the rules set out to "achieve", uncertainty in racing ...in this case it became a public relations disaster.


Funny thing about tyres ,they are probably the most critical thing on a car apart from the brakes....yes a high percentage ofpeople spend the least amount of money they can get away with

As one fellow asked at a servce department, "Cheapest tyres and cheapest brake pads please" and whilst you are at-it Order me a coffin as well