Formula 1

Originally Posted by Mel Bonkers

Sadiki,

If Ferrari will issue a " brake-problem" statement (and I'm sure they will ), then it's bad luck.....if not, then it's what Shuey deserved.

Now I can understand your statement, Sadiki. If it was an error, then it's just his fault indeed.

F1 has 1 driver who has become famous for cheating in the past

Maybe F1 has already so many drivers who had cheated in the past but they don't make the rules...
Anyway, it's a mater of tactic we're talking about, not rules.

Originally Posted by MT

Why don't McLaren deserve anything?

I wouldn't verbatim say "anything" but, instead, a victory. They're doing a crap work and both pilots are desapointed... I don't see anyone on that team trying to fight the setback of this season...

Originally Posted by THROTTLEMAN

p.s. the webber jag's got red?! Oceans12... what they don't do for money

That's only the half of it Hugo. Apparently each Jag has a 1cm cut diamond in the nose too, so if any Jag crashes, look for people diving on the wreckage to find it!

Really, James!?!? I wonder why no one jumped to the track!

Well to be honest.. I was kind of sad when Shumy went out because I was enjoying this winning streak Ferrari was having after all that has been done to prevent it from winning... Ferrari Forever But hey... it happens
Anyway pretty glad it was Trulli winning he deserved it.

All the Best

Sérgio

Originally Posted by MT

Why don't McLaren deserve anything?

Because they are The Grey Robots from planet Zzzzzzzzz
That Ron bloke you see moaning on the telly(though not a lot these days )is actually one of those shape changing lizards who eat flies and used to bother David Icke

Originally Posted by Mel Bonkers

Sadiki!

This was really some day! Nice sunny weather, trying to relax with formula 1 on the telly! And then: Schumi at his best! What a joke! And don't you Schuey-people blame Montoya for the accident . Schumi just deserved it.....lovely!

Thumbs up for Trulli and Button! Really great race.

Pitty for Raikkonen......but McLaren doesn't deserve more I guess at the moment.

Stating that "Schumi deserved it" just means that you dislike MS for some reason and that you don't judge his class by his (proven) driving skills.

I don't know what happened in the tunnel (according to the worst F1 commentator ever Olav Mol, Schumi was maybe cooling down his brakes ) and we will probably never know the truth. Fact is that JPM can't be blamed this time.

Funny thing is that if you follow the FIA rules everybody (except Schumi) should have gotten a drive thru penalty for overtaking Schumi while the safety car was out. Technically MS was still driving and the rest should have stayed behind him. That would have been very funny to watch...

Originally Posted by THROTTLEMAN

I wouldn't verbatim say "anything" but, instead, a victory. They're doing a crap work and both pilots are desapointed... I don't see anyone on that team trying to fight the setback of this season...

So is the general consensus that the Mclaren team aren't working hard enough to deserve victory? Who specifically isn't pulling their weight on the team then?
The reason i ask this is that i would be very suprised if there is anyone on that team, or any other F1 team that is not giving it 100% in their job. As far as i'm concerned the performance difference between the cars isn't down to the amount of effort the teams put in, it's down to money, politics, technology, edge and luck. And the drivers themselves.
Obviously Mclaren have a problem, but i think to say that they don't deserve to win because of it is unfair on at least 99.9% of the Mclaren team.

And while one of my 'nerves' has obviously been hit...

I would dearly love to see Schumi beaten, but through skilled driving and fair competition, not through mistakes or misfortune. When he is the best driver out there he deserves to win, when he isn't he doesn't. I was disappointed when he crashed out today, i think the fact that he didn;t pit under the safety car would have cost him the race anyway and Trulli's win and Button's second would have been sweeter.

As far as Schumi 'cheating' goes, when you're truly playing to win you push the rules as far as they can go, you try and find every edge you can to beat your opponents. You take risks, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't, the stronger your desire to win the more you take.
Schumi is a master at pushing the rules to the limit, to a casual observer it can be deemed 'unfair' and 'unsporting', but in the heat of the battle you would wish you could do the same.

Incidentally, i'm not 'pro-Schumi'. But i am 'pro-skill' and 'pro-determination'.

My take on the Schumi incident is that he was trying to warm his car up (and maybe play with the field a little), he accelerated hard, spinning his rear wheels to get heat into them and then broke hard to heat the brakes too. The safety car was out of Montoya's sight because of the curvature of the tunnel, and was about to come in so it's understandably Montoya would want to stay with Schumi so went with him, and was accelerating when Schumi hit the brakes. From the video it looks like Montoya ends up alongside Schumi on the right, Schumi moves across and their wheels touch forcing Schumi out of control and into the wall.

But to be honest i'm more interested in what went on in Alonso's head as he tried to go round the outside of the other Schumi.

Originally Posted by bazza

That's only the half of it Hugo. Apparently each Jag has a 1cm cut diamond in the nose too, so if any Jag crashes, look for people diving on the wreckage to find it!

Presumably Diamonds are a Race drivers worst enemy

Webber......several fires. Marshalls "refusing" to put fire out . Forced to use T-car which suffers mechanical failure in race

Originally Posted by selespeed

Stating that "Schumi deserved it" just means that you dislike MS for some reason and that you don't judge his class by his (proven) driving skills.

I don't know what happened in the tunnel (according to the worst F1 commentator ever Olav Mol, Schumi was maybe cooling down his brakes ) and we will probably never know the truth. Fact is that JPM can't be blamed this time.

Funny thing is that if you follow the FIA rules everybody (except Schumi) should have gotten a drive thru penalty for overtaking Schumi while the safety car was out. Technically MS was still driving and the rest should have stayed behind him. That would have been very funny to watch...

Well from what I saw Schumi suddenly locked up a left front, went wide then jigged back. Montoya went to inside and they collided.
Why Schumi was braking so hard in a dimly lite tunnel is anyones guess, but if he was doijng it deliberately, then he was behaving rather stupidly.
Of couse he did not derve to be punted off but it was probably due to his own actions

And I agree that technically all should have got a drive through penalty but as every one would have to drive thought the pits then we would really have a "Pit Parade"

Originally Posted by THROTTLEMAN

I wouldn't verbatim say "anything" but, instead, a victory. They're doing a crap work and both pilots are desapointed... I don't see anyone on that team trying to fight the setback of this season...

I guess that as the Mclaren cars are being driven by Pilots then presumably part of their problem is that the aerodynamics are giving lift rather than down force .

No wonder they are having trouble staying on the race track!

Originally Posted by selespeed

Personally I think that Ferrari has used a setup for a (partially) wet race and that most others haven't. This would explain the position of MS on the grid.

Hans I think it's more likely the fuel load and not the tyre setup that is to blame for his time (just like Rubens' in the Spanish GP)

I can't quite fathom what MS was thinking he was doing? Maybe he was frustrated that the team had missed the pit stop behind the safety car and his race had been lost, which is why he didn't complain too much, or he was just pushing the rules to the limit and pushed too far. What he did do, was to brake test Montoya in the tunnel which is plain stupidity. Guess he just wanted to out-do his brother in the "prat of the race" stakes, Alonso could have been killed. Joint third to Sato and Fishichella for not stopping despite your car smoking like a chimney and the other not slowing down when driving into the resulting smoke and oil.

Best race for ages though! Gave Martin a reason to make a few cutting comments.

Originally Posted by Stori

Well from what I saw Schumi suddenly locked up a left front, went wide then jigged back. Montoya went to inside and they collided.
Why Schumi was braking so hard in a dimly lite tunnel is anyones guess, but if he was doijng it deliberately, then he was behaving rather stupidly.
Of couse he did not derve to be punted off but it was probably due to his own actions

And I agree that technically all should have got a drive through penalty but as every one would have to drive thought the pits then we would really have a "Pit Parade"

What I was trying to say with "I don't know what happened in the tunnel" is that it doesn't make sense why one wheel was blokked under braking. The surface in the tunnel in Monaco is pretty smooth and imho you could brake hard without a problem when you are on the racing line. However for some reason the left front tyre blocked which is very strange regarding the state of the surface over there. Two tyres blocked would make sence and no blocking tyres make even more sence when you brake hard in the tunnel. I personally think that Schumi was planning to do some braking to let JPM brake harder to create a gap, but that the brake on the front left tyre malfunctioned and the whole idea backfired on Schumi.

I enjoyed watching the race though

Originally Posted by selespeed

Stating that "Schumi deserved it" just means that you dislike MS for some reason and that you don't judge his class by his (proven) driving skills.

Hans,

Yes, I dislike Schumi . But I admire hi