nurburgring 2008

Just wondering if theres any people going over there next year, think we'll probably be goin may sometime.

I would say that its very likely a number of alfas from this site would be going around that time.
Assuming another Alfaowner expedition will be organized.

The public dates aren't published yet so that is needed before concrete planning can occur.

cheers,
TB

I will definitely be there as soon as I know the dates.

Does anyone know when the public dates are being released?
Im also thinking of going early may, with a group of petrol head mates.

AFAIK know near the end of the year, or early next year.
Last year they were published earlier than normal, but the year before they were published in Jan/Feb I think.

Apparently they will be refusing modded cars next year, unless you can hand over a TuV approval for all parts, and comply with certain rules.

In other words, there's no chance a lightened or supercharged or even lowered car (without tuv papers) is getting in... have ssen this mentioned on 2 dutch forums until now....

Can't imagine this applies to foreign cars?
TUV is a german thing, and I cant imagine the Ring being that efficient at enforcing it on normal looking cars..
How would they even know what was standard or not?


Aren't all cars that drive on public German roads supposed to be TUV leagal if German registered or otherwise "European legal"?

Interested in any info though, obviously

Cheers,
TB

.....so a little german man sat at a little wooden desk with lots of manuals for bikes and cars, thumbing through and then slowly looking up over his small round specticles saying........harrrrrrrr No!! whilst you quietly hum the tune to the Dambusters or The Great Escape.

apparently they've already refused a number of cars, mostly foreign

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in dutch, but try to put it through a translator and i'll fill in the blanks

Moved to International Meets & Events lounge.

Marco veldhuis wrote:

Let me tell you a couple of things since I was at the ring last week!!

1st make sure that the sound is below the admissible (below 95dB or any lower value on TuV papers) or they will take you off the track!! Tough ****!!

2nd a valid MOT doesn't count on the ring, only outside

3rd only TuV approved cars are allowed!! Because then the responsibility is with the TuV-man and not with the GmBh! Standard cars are always allowed on the ring

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seems like my track toy will not be admissible, with the big brake conversion, lightened and stripped body, Megasquirt motormanagement etc... and a TuV official is present during open hours...


anybody know some other great circuits?

Good thing I went a year or so ago with my heavily modified Alfa.....

Thanks for that. I think.
Was a bit gibberized by bablefish but get the idea

Will wait and see what happens on the ground I think.

If it does turn out to be true this would push me more towords doing a closed day or two where you get more track time anyway.

Presume rent-a-racecar type places will have to do some serious work, if they aren't alreayd TUV certified.

Cheers,
TB

Yes they might have noticed that one!!

No speedo, no anything other than a seat, an engine, a steering wheel and some wheels!

Originally Posted by edward

Good thing I went a year or so ago with my heavily modified Alfa.....

I've seen heavily modded RX7's & Skylines get turned away for the last few years for noise... bikes likewise. There'll be a reasonable leniency for foreign cars - lets face it, they even installed a right-hand-side ticket machine at the barriers this year because so much of their bread & butter comes from the UK. They're not going to tug for lowered cars because the UK system of approvals is so much different from Germany & Holland. Basically there, if your car is lower than stock, it has to be an approved mod, written into the registration document. If it's not (when checked at TUV time, or on a spot check), your car is not roadworthy & will be impounded.

Trying to prove that & disallowing a UK car to enter the Ring cos it has LED rear lights or a sports exhaust - they won't be able to enforce it without ****ing off everyone there. Who buys TUV approved products as a rule in the UK? & if you do, do you keep a copy of the certificate in the car?

Won't happen.

Re. Ring times - new times come out in early January, but will be subject to serious change until late March because of snow etc.

I see Denmark appears to have an exception!

Peter K will be pleased.

All based on the gibberized bablefish translation though..

Originally Posted by Trailbraker

Presume rent-a-racecar type places will have to do some serious work, if they aren't alreayd TUV certified.
TB

Rent-a-racecar are actually in a good position as their cars have to get through TUV on an annual basis anyway, so their paperwork will be in order.

I think Ron is in a more exposed position, but as the rumours indicate that he is not overly concerned about it, then I would be cautiously optimistic about the strictness of applying this to foreign plated cars.

Imagine the costs and loss of revenue to Nurburgring Gmbh.

Most likely, they will use these new rules as a PR exercise to show they are taking safety seriously, and pick on the occassional obviously modified car and haul it over for a full TUV stripdown. Much like the way the sound checks have been applied.

I suppose we will only know for sure as it unfolds in practice.

In the meantime I guess the private track days are sounding increasingly more attractive.

From what I hear Ron's cars are supposed to be TUV approved, but I doubt if this is the case with all of them?

First signs were pretty bad, but things are starting to clear up.

But going to the ring without a single thought about the state of your car, is definately over. And when building a ringtool, you have to be very aware of what's going to get on track, and what's not.

The experience is to good to stop going. IMO no trackday can compare to a good ring-weekend. Even a sunny day at Spa, although that is pretty special considering it rains there most of the time.