So diesel is going to be 4 time more popular than petrol by 2030.
The article then proceeds to tell us that NO2 from diesels is a problem and doesn't realise that the politicians are likely to start taxing diesel because of it. By 2030 it will probably be taxed out of existence and we'll all be riding push bikes.
This. Hilariously, the official figures of NOx from VW's 2.0 TDi is twice that of the supercharged 6.3 V8 VXR8!!! And that means, given the recent EPA findings, that its' actually 20-80 times higher than a supercharged pushrod V8!!!
I never drive my tractor in the city. A few towns perhaps. I get the bus into the city. They IMO should ban all fossil fuelled vehicles in the city, which in the UK means electric cars too :lol:
This is all great news for me. My GT (apart from a lease car I once had) was my first toe dipping into DERV and despite it's clackety clack clack clack I love it's delivery. I love how cheap it is, reliable it is and just how damn cheap it is!
It clacks (I mentioned that didn't I ) but otherwise it's perfect. So that great news I mentioned means my next diesel will be cheap because our governments are dicks :thumbup:
"at this rate, diesel would be four times more popular than petrol by 2030." They are assuming that the growth in diesel's market share has been a linear progression over the last 20 years & that it will continue at the same rate; I can't find data to support this, but I believe it's been pretty well static over the last few years.
Apparently, diesel's share of the new car market is actually falling after years of relentless increase. A recent report has highlighted that diesels produce significantly more pollution in real world conditions than when tested for the EU emission standards. This from Monday's Guardian:
"Nine out of 10 new diesel cars break new EU pollution limits when tested on roads rather than test tracks, according to a new report.
On average, the cars emit seven times the permitted level of NOx gasses, with the worst car producing 22 times the legal limit. Models from every major motor manufacturer breached the limit when they were evaluated in real-world conditions."
Stories like this and the increased awareness of the danger of PM10 particles means that diesels are going to decline in popularity IMHO. And amen to that. Two friends of mine who have just bought new cars, ruled diesels out and bought the petrol version for these reasons.
You are so right this year the government has to take action on nox by law so it stands to reason they will tax it out of existence. I have said for years the rise of diesels is the cause of the rise of cancer quicker they are gone the better for our health
unfortunately this is no joke. people with political responsibility and with all the scientific knowledge deliberately chose to poison us for decades just to satisfy the diesel production lobby. the cons of using diesel is well known for a long time. that is why it should be used only on heavy duty vehicles. less CO2 emissions of diesel engines was just a false reason to hit on petrol engines. instead of forcing the petrol engines to have less emissions they let people buy more and more diesel cars.
why just in the last couple of years cars manufactures started to make true efficient petrol and hybrid engines, letting it be overtaken by far by diesel engines on performance and emissions for more than 10 years?
why LPG keeps discriminated?
why engines power keeps raising and raising each year instead of keeping their power but have lower emissions?
why is petrol so damn expensive compared to diesel (on most countries)?
why does the EU keep implementing an emissions directive that is easily fooled by any car manufacturer to reduce emissions just on paper? (my 1997 147 TS meets fuel consumption specs better than any new car)
Diesel powered cars provided a quick solution to the long-term problem of rising atmospheric CO2. Pollution particular to diesel engines tends not to stay in the atmosphere and so it's a short-term problem. Yes, it's unfortunate that you may get a disease you might otherwise not have contracted but our species has a better long-term chance of survival because of it.
I live in a sparsely populated area so no one is suffering due to my diesel usage and I'm producing less CO2 than an equivalent petrol vehicle.
In a sparsely populated area the soot has little impact, but in large cities, densely populated areas, where 1000's of cars are driving around pumping out the soot, it is an issue. Unless you consider a few 1000 deaths a small price to pay?
Slightly unrelated, but it's reckoned that around a MILLION people die in India every year because of their air pollution - OK the figures aren't that accurate and it's a big country, but that's a lot of people.
If you've been you'll remember the taste of the air. 1000s of ageing un-maintained busses and lorries, cow dung stoves and mopeds (2-stroke, not cow dung..)
Perhaps some political capital spent helping them (Commercial Nuclear not coal, and conversion of vehicles to CNG) rather than scrubbing every last bit of pollution from the UK which, given the law of diminishing returns will cost us all a fortune for little gain.
Diesel cars are becoming unpopular because they're expensive to maintain and run - DPFs, Turbos, usually shorter service intervals, usually with lots of diesel specific stuff, all money that you won't make back unless you do 20k+, and petrol cars are catching up - although not as much as the "official figures" claim.
Did I read somewhere that now that cars are so clean, the main source of particulates in the countryside are wood-burning stoves?
It's LPG for me, but let's hope it doesn't become too popular.
I'm looking for a factory bi-fuel V70 for the Mrs to replace her Diesel Picasso, and my 166 will be converted at some point.
still that is a problem with all direct injection engines. still GDI engines emit less PM than diesels. still GDI is a recent technology and, like said, can be optimized to lower PM emissions.
still, interesting article.
Not sure if these are petrol or diesel VW's but make you wonder how many low tax bracket German models in the UK have this emissions test defeat device?
I can't wait for the development of the Carbon Air battery, it should be here by now but the university developing it have gone a bit quiet. The oil mungers have probably got their claws into it, if it turned out as good as its prototype!
It's all going to go electric, every year the electric cars get better and better.
At least the smog in London don't burn your eyes anymore as soon as you step out of the train station.
Recently I was tuning an old Z1000, the next day my throat and lungs were effected badly. Now my eyes weren't burning, so I wasn't exposed to a high level of fumes, so what else have they been told to put in there!?
They put Lead in to stop the catalytic effect of high milage carburettors, and told us it stops the valve seats wearing out(on engines that had soft valve seats anyway!)
Then they put all sorts of poisons in it.
It's a tooo vast a subject for any further comment, it really is.
The Mercury in a tooth filling will slowly kill someone, Nitrous Oxides are the least of our troubles, believe you me.
I have a renault twizy electric car it is a great little car fun to drive 50 mile range I charge it up for free at meadowhall but for what it is its expensive, mine wasnt as it really was an ebay bargain 26 miles couple of months old 4700 squids. I bought it to carry around on my boat which will also charge it whilst on the move or from the 1 kw of solar so in my case I have my cake and get to eat it:biglaugh: I know all you diesel lads think diesel out perform petrols but like for like petrols are always quicker than a diesel I have converted a load of saab turbos and jag chargers to LPG and boy can they shift and so cheap and clean to run remember their is life after diesel as you are all going to find out very soon:read:
I'm not against Twizys per se. They make perfect sense as good weather commuter buggies.
There are a few round here and some security firms use them to do the rounds too.
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