Alfa Romeo 8c Competizione

No cheap plastic over that engine!!!!

8c competizione into production in 2007-it's official despite what the German mags report...With 8c alfa romeo will return to Gt races(le mans or fia gt)The chassis is alouminium monocoque strengthen with carbon fibers(like 360 Challenge Stradale or the upcoming F430 Challenge Stradale).Autobody from carbonfiber like enzo,engine V8 4,2 with dry sump and with compressor it will exceed 450hp.Weight 1400-1500kg.Power ratio 3kg/hp.It will be more expensive than F430.

Its all very impressive!
Very ambitous price though.
Looks like I will have to hold out for a second hand one then

Originally Posted by sakis

8c competizione into production in 2007-it's official despite what the German mags report...With 8c alfa romeo will return to Gt races(le mans or fia gt)The chassis is alouminium monocoque strengthen with carbon fibers(like 360 Challenge Stradale or the upcoming F430 Challenge Stradale).Autobody from carbonfiber like enzo,engine V8 4,2 with dry sump and with compressor it will exceed 450hp.Weight 1400-1500kg.Power ratio 3kg/hp.It will be more expensive than F430.

SPORTIVA EVOLUTA


The lightening of an automotive vehicle structure, whether it is an engine support, or a complete car body, demands a specific planning so that the mechanical characteristics of the material being used can be exploited to the maximum.

It is therefore necessary in the first place to ask oneself what the structural mission is of the member in question, so that the general proportions can be determined. As such, the first large task is to ensure that the rigidity requirements are satisfied. For example, if a car body is being developed, one of the most important tasks is to ensure that the windscreen mounts are strong enough. Structural members also have to take full advantage of resistance, in the same way as crumple zones do.

A simple geometrical shape (e.g slab, solid beam) has to be derived, which can be used to assimilate the member under study, with the aim being to partially determine by means of analytical processes the state of stress or rigidity. At this point simple functions can be derived for different load situations, that depend on the mechanical characteristics of the material (modulus of elasticity, density, yield value, breaking resistance).

Moreover, the same method can be applied not only in terms of investigating the weight, where the prevailing parameter can be the rigidity or the specific strength, but also towards minimal cost (employing parameters like “density per Euro”).

A comparison between the various materials for each case of basic geometrical shape can then be drawn up (e.g. a slab stressed by bending). As a material of reference, TRIP 800 is chosen, which is a high performance Steel.

For collisions members, such as cross sections, Titanium alloy represents a 60% weight advantage over Steel, and a 30% weight advantage over Aluminium. Sportiva Evoluta makes use of this benefit. For high volume car production the use of Titanium is not feasible however, due to the requirement of sustainable costs.

After detailed structural analyses were conducted for vehicle rigidity, it was decided to use a composite carbon fibre material for the main member.To obtain suitable deformation in impacts, the front and rear crumple zones have been made out of aluminium and titanium. The main module of the so called “Split Frame” chassis design is fixed with a set of elastic mounts, ensuring a desirable compromise between comfort and handling.

Two processes have been used in the manufacturing of the prototype chassis, which ensure a strong design capable of resisting the high forces imposed during high speed handling and crashes; “hand lay-up” manual lamination, and “RTM” resin transfer moulding.The main chassis is split into two parts, the bulkhead and backbone, which are connected by two rows of bolts.

Manual lamination was used for the backbone member,using a sandwich type structure to increase the strength whilst remaining light in weight. This solution consists of two carbon-fibre sheets, between which an ultra low-density honeycomb panel is inserted to improve rigidity characteristics.

The carbon-fibre sheets themselves consist of many layers of overlapping pre-impregnated woven carbon fibres. To optimize torsional rigidity, and to absorb forces transferred from the suspension, the main backbone tunnel has closed sections.

There are two disadvantages of the manual lamination process, the main one being the fact that it would only be possible to produce one to two cars a day. Although the initial investment for the process is very low, the high labour hours, and more specifically the need for skilled labour elevate the variable costs.

The complex shape of the bulkhead section triggered the engineers at the CRF to explore the potentials of the RTM process. The RTM process uses a stamp, into which a glass-fibre mould is initially inserted.A resin matrix containing carbon fibres is subsequently pumped in under a controlled pressure and temperature. To increase the structural characteristics of the member, a reinforcing material called Nomex was also used.

An economic analysis of the RTM process was also carried out during the project, and demonstrated that the high convenience of the technology would allow for a production figure of between 5 to 10 cars a day.

Advantages and possibilities:

-Weight control: The complete chassis (excluding the suspension) weighs less than 100 Kg.

-Chassis performace adapted for super-sports car: The torsional and flexible rigidity assures compliance with the Euro-NCAP standard (offset collision at 64 km/h with deformable barrier).

-Technologies adapted for production volumes of upto 5 cars a day: The labour intensive process of manual carbon fibre lamination has been eliminated by a new process called VRTM (Vacuum Resin Moulding Transfers).

-This concept represents the first application of VRTM where woven carbonfibre is used for certain high strengh chassis members."

The chassis makes use of split frame architecture technology, allowing for different 'upper bodies' to be mounted on the basic 'lower chassis', by means of elastic mounts which provide the necessary comfort by filtering road and engine noise.

Extensive testing revealed a substantial reduction in noise, vibration and harshness, with audible road and engine noise decreasing by 4-6 dBA (over a regular chassis). Not only can different body styles be used on the same chassis,but the chassis itself can also be easily adapted for different wheelbases, engines, and traction schemes (2WD, 4WD).

Why no Alfa logo on the steering wheel???

8c competizione 2007
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/ne...?news_id=14064

Propably fitted with new 4.7lt v8 of Maserati/Ferrari.

taken this summer at Balocco. Love this car! Possibly the best looking modern Alfa ever. If it ever makes it to production that's me getting a mortgage!

I don't like it how car manufacturers deliberately make too few of a model. What's the bet that every one of those 500 cars sells out in no time flat, assuming they ever get made? Surely it would be a better advertisement for Alfa if they made more 8Cs, so some might get driven on the road and seen in real life rather than in car shows and magazines.

If the production run is 500, the 8C Competizione will have been comprehensively outsold by the Alfa 90 Gold Cloverleaf!

Originally Posted by A_Romeo

taken this summer at Balocco. Love this car! Possibly the best looking modern Alfa ever. If it ever makes it to production that's me getting a mortgage!

I agree,one of the best looking cars period ive seen and it would be awesome to see it go into production.I remember seeing it at the Sydney motorshow and casually asked how much it would be.A firm $250,000AUD was the response!!But maybe those figures will be re-aligned,let's hope so

I so so so hope it happens, its a beautiful work of art!

Originally Posted by Ben_NZ

I don't like it how car manufacturers deliberately make too few of a model. What's the bet that every one of those 500 cars sells out in no time flat, assuming they ever get made? Surely it would be a better advertisement for Alfa if they made more 8Cs, so some might get driven on the road and seen in real life rather than in car shows and magazines.

If the production run is 500, the 8C Competizione will have been comprehensively outsold by the Alfa 90 Gold Cloverleaf!

Think its to do with the resale value and rarity of the cars that are produced in limited numbers. The fewer made, the higher 2nd hand prices will be, or at least, the depreciation will be much less. Therefore, the cars aren't being bought for less than half their value in 6 months time. Its a case of the manufacturer wanting the car to continue to command high prices after the first time its sold, presumably for marketing and stigma reasons.
Also, they might need to sacrifice resources in other areas to build the 8c, resources they cannot do without in the long term, so are only able to build a few.

Regardless of marketing politics, lets just hope that this gorgeous Alfa does go into production. As you say AJ, its a beautiful work of art, and should sell successfully at any price

8c Video diva!
http://grandtheftauto.altervista.org/alfa.htm

Maserati Spyder 2006 4.7lt v8 450hp
8c competizione 2007 4.7lt v8 470hp

Alfa Romeo will finally join WTCC 2006 season and in 2007,156 will be replaced from 159....Also it will develop a racing version of 8c competizione to join Fiat GT ALMS-GT

8C Competizione will be presented in Paris and first deliveries will follow in first semester of 2007....simiral price with F430

F430’s engine was based in v8 of Maserati Couper/Spyder…8c competizione’s engine will be based to F430’s with simiral conversions in order to have ‘’roar’’ sound like classic alfa’s/Ferrari and not like Maserati that traditional have more mild/bass sound.It will be a real Gt like ferrari 599 & 612 and ofcourse Michael Schumacher will help in the development as he did with all Ferrari/Maserati supercars…even helped in 159/Brera.
8c is the only car in this price tag that offers car body from carbon fibers sth that much more expensive supercars like Enzo,Carrera GT,SLR,Veyron,Pagani,MC12,FXX offer…only that shows that is one step forward to F430,Gallardo,911 turbo,V8 Vantage,SL AMG etc....also is by far the most beautiful car at last 3 decates and cause to limited production it would be more exclusive (collectors favourite)….also 8c is the name of the first supercar ever made(8c2900)…it has the name of the car that gave birth the philosophy in which based ferrari’s Gt from 166 until 599….8c will be more extreme than F430.....END OF STORY!

Concorso d'Eleganza Villa d'Este 2004
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http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1025big.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1007big.jpg
http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/20...oncours-villad este/images/alfa-8c451.jpg

i have to say, it is an absolutely stunning looking car!

We have to start saving

Originally Posted by sakis

8C Competizione will be presented in Paris and first deliveries will follow in first semester of 2007....simiral price with F430

F430’s engine was based in v8 of Maserati Couper/Spyder…8c competizione’s engine will be based to F430’s with simiral conversions in order to have ‘’roar’’ sound like classic alfa’s/Ferrari and not like Maserati that traditional have more mild/bass sound.It will be a real Gt like ferrari 599 & 612 and ofcourse Michael Schumacher will help in the development as he did with all Ferrari/Maserati supercars…even helped in 159/Brera.
8c is the only car in this price tag that offers car body from carbon fibers sth that much more expensive supercars like Enzo,Carrera GT,SLR,Veyron,Pagani,MC12,FXX offer…only that shows that is one step forward to F430,Gallardo,911 turbo,V8 Vantage,SL AMG etc....also is by far the most beautiful car at last 3 decates and cause to limited production it would be more exclusive (collectors favourite)….also 8c is the name of the first supercar ever made(8c2900)…it has the name of the car that gave birth the philosophy in which based ferrari’s Gt from 166 until 599….8c will be more extreme than F430.....END OF STORY!

Concorso d'Eleganza Villa d'Este 2004
http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/20...oncours-villad este/images/impression3-19.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1025big.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1007big.jpg
http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/20...oncours-villad este/images/alfa-8c451.jpg

Sheesh you really seem to have a pulse on the information sakisWell done.
I actually hope that it does not go into supercar territory and position itself within the gt sports class so as to be more affordable.There was mention of the carbon fibre chassis to be used also but if they develop a new engine based on the f430 you'd have to think they were targetting the likes of the gallardo,ferrari and porsche high end.

Final version of 8c will be presented this September in Paris as said from Antonio Baravalle.AR has not yet speak about 8c’s engine power….ex AR’s CEO said in an interview that with the use of compressor this engine will have same torque with Carrera Gt which means 590nm…..when atmospheric engines of ferrari and maserati have 451/460ΝΜ.Each engine they will use 4.2lt (with compressor) v8 or the new 4.7lt v8 the engine power will be between 450 and 500hp…4.2lt version will weight 1400kg and 4.7lt 1350kg.Gallardo uses conventional alouminium monocoque like F430 when 8c has car body in carbon fiber and that is the reason for the limited production-500-1000 per year.Ceramic brakes are optional in F430 when in 8c are standard.F430 and 8c have different driving style cause the difference engine/gearbox position…. Like murcielago/f430 with 599/8c competizione-a tradition that begin with 8c2900 in 30es and continued with οι 550,575,Superamerica,456,612,599..cars that classic ferraristi appreciate most (V12) compared to fans of F430 which are multi-collective and with low cultivation level.Price in Europe-150.000euro.

Enzo begin as racing driver of AR…then alfa romeo assigned him the organization of scuderia Ferrari (1929) which was AR’s official racing team….many years later the first Ferrari was build-1947 based in the philosophy of alfa 8c and specially of its successor S10 V12…also the project of first Ferrari 166 is based in AR’s project that was cut of with state interference.Enzo had great respect to AR that refered to it as Mother…it was not accidental that he was was visiting his son (Dino) cemetery with his AR164 despite that in this period lancia thema 8.32 (with 8cylinder Ferrari engine) was introduced….he preferred 164!Cars like 8c competizione/Enzo/Mc12 are priceless cause demand is more that production.Even Mclaren F1 despite great reviews from the press it couldn’t sell even 100F1 in 5 years.,,and Italians had 1200 people who wanted to buy one of the 399+1 (tsunami) enzo’s…to all this add 29fxx and 50Mc12’s,400 people for 349 F50’s sth that shows that collectors with culture prefer Italian cars by far!... (in some occasions also some british supercars).For 8c competizione up to now they are 3000 people that are interested to buy it-cause the carbon fiber autobody allows only 500-1000 per year and imagine what will happen between the 3000 people who are interested. (remember Z8 of bmw that sold only 2000 and forced to take it out from the market).AR is the favourite car make for collectors with the biggest history in automotive field,a company that gave its help to Ferrari when it was asked.

8c competiz