Is there any significance in a Red Clover Leaf?

Originally Posted by Tony_156JTD

Cheers Paulus.

My car is not really a 'racer,' she is a diesel

She is a Veloce and she has badges to show her 'luxury' status, so I might just stick with the cloverleaf on the back

Oh Yeah, right.

The racers traditionally had the QVs on a white triangle with the tail (depending on who you believe) going to the rear of the car, or to the right, or left of the badge.

Again, traditionally, they were sited just below the windscreen of racing cars but of course the interpretation of that varies a little with sports and saloon cars.

This you will see on my old 146 & 156 here:

1996 BTCC sticker kit - Alfa Romeo Images

156 kit works on 146 also! - Alfa Romeo Images

although the sunburst obscures the one on the 156 a little. Sorry but I dont know how to magic the pix onto this page!

Of course "Velocé" is Italian for "speed" or "quick" so your Velocé like my 156, is the "quick-un"!

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I know of people who have the white 'triangle cloverleafs' on their cars. The usually have them on the wings just above the side repeaters.

It looks quite smart. But, these symbols are the proper racing symbols for Alfa's.

The cloverleafs I am on about are just the leafs themselves, no triangle involved...

Ever seen them on cars other then 145's?

Yeah my sprint has one on the back, not the same as yours, its mounted on a metal plate

Originally Posted by Tony_156JTD

I know of people who have the white 'triangle cloverleafs' on their cars. The usually have them on the wings just above the side repeaters.

It looks quite smart. But, these symbols are the proper racing symbols for Alfa's.

The cloverleafs I am on about are just the leafs themselves, no triangle involved...

Ever seen them on cars other then 145's?

Sure.

Many of the Suds and 33s had them as a part of the boot badge along with the QOs and as did some Sud Sprints.

I cannot recall a "Nord" Alfa ever having them but that could just be my memory failing

Maybe the 164s had something but it's all getting a little foggy!

My God that Becks is a fine drop of ale!

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ps correctly it is "quattro foglio verde"

"Nord" Alfa? Is there something wrong with them?

I think Alfa are thinking of bringing out a GT Cloverleaf soon.

Aparently the diesels will get a black cloverleaf, or so i heard somewhere

I think that was a joke because his next sentace was 'to remind the driver of what a bad engine choice they had made.'

i meant apart from on this thread. sure i heard it somewhere, maybe i'm just tired, where am I? Am i in the right place? Is this the group therapy?

Not group therapy....

I think my question has been answered now. There is no meaning to the red cloverleaf other then it is avaliable to buy...

Green is traditional, Gold and Silver special and Blue rare...

Originally Posted by Tony_156JTD

I think that was a joke because his next sentace was 'to remind the driver of what a bad engine choice they had made.'

Indeed it was a joke and good on you for not rising to my bait.

Originally Posted by Camp Freddie

Indeed it was a joke and good on you for not rising to my bait.

Me, rising to bait? Who you been talking to....

I agree a bit thats why. I know Alfa's are better with petrol engine. I bought a diesel because I thought I would need one. Still, she serves me well even if I occasionally am not too kind to her.

^ I'm just bitter and twisted about the 45mpg you'll be getting.

I struggle to get better than 32...

Tony, yep they have just brought out a cloverleaf gt, just ordered one 2.0 in blue, green cloverleaf badge, 2 months 18 days to go before delivery..............yippee

'Nord' Alfas, ie. original Alfa (1.3-2.0)twin cam alloy block donk, had cloverleafs

105 GT/GTVs etc had them on the rear pillar, pretty sure the Alfetta also had them. Later 105 spiders (S2&3)had them on the boot (like an S3 Sprint). They're also in the side rear airvent on S1/2 Sprints.

My understanding is green is fast, gold/silver is luxury.

Personally, I'd be struggling with somebody who whacks a QV badge on a std. non QV car - it's analgous with someody (say a chav) whacking an M3 badge on a std. BMW or an SLine badge on an Audi. Or a nord ring sticker on a car that's not been round. That said, i think Aust. fitted QV badges to the back of some early 2.0L (seles?) to try an increase sales as the brand was relaunched after 10 or so years absence.

that said, knock yourself out - just stick with green or red

Originally Posted by craig_m67

'Nord' Alfas, ie. original Alfa (1.3-2.0)twin cam alloy block donk, had cloverleafs

105 GT/GTVs etc had them on the rear pillar,

"NORD" (=north) i.e. anything that isn't a "SUD" (=south)! But that was in the good old days when the "lower class Alfas" all had flat fours and were built in the southern factory in Pomigliano.

I had forgoton all about the old Bertonés! Yes, definately "C" pillar decoration, but they were never called QVs or QOs, were they?

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Rosso or Verde?

Picture time!

Originally Posted by Paulus

Production cars started with green ones, then added gold (& silver?) and blue ones on, I think, 145s.

The blue ones are faded green ones

And I have a yellow one......




















.. on the dipstick

Originally Posted by Paulus

"NORD" (=north) i.e. anything that isn't a "SUD" (=south)!

Not completely correct. The Nord engine is an engine that was fitted in Arese. But don't forget the Busso V6 and the V8 which were also from Arese. The V8 was based on the Nord engine though

Originally Posted by Paulus

But that was in the good old days when the "lower class Alfas" all had flat fours and were built in the southern factory in Pomigliano.

Originally Posted by selespeed

Not completely correct.

Perhaps, as it may not explain fully all the engines but the statement is, essentially accurate.

Originally Posted by selespeed

The Nord engine is an engine that was fitted in Arese.

The 4 cylinder chain drive cam engine and its straight six brother have been popularly known as the Nord engine from the time the Sud was designed/introduced in the late sixties/early seventies and were indeed fitted in Arese

Other engines may or may not, then or at a later date, have been fitted in Alese and/or elsewhere, but when one speaks about a "Nord" engine it is generally those mentioned in the previous para. that is being reffered to.

Paulus

Originally Posted by selespeed

The blue ones are faded green ones

I do confess that I have never owned one but I have seen faded Alfa badges and I have seen blue cloverleaf badges; they're different.

The Blue Cloverleafs I have seen are a rich bright blue and are certainly not faded green nor any other colour.

Or are you just winding me up?

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