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yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Sorry, I know there are LOADS of questions about these products on here, but
I recently bought some Bilt Hamber auto foam. It says NOT to use it with lances such as those by Gilmour, & is only to be used with a pressure washer.
OK, I've got a Karcher, with a built in detergent bottle, a standard variable nozzle karcher lance & a Karcher foaming lance type attachment with a small (.5ltr?) bottle.
So, how best to use the Bilt-Hamber foam? Putting it in the Karcher bottle, it seems to rattle through it in no time, which I would have thought means its far too concentrated & pretty expensive as well!
Do I have to pre-mix it, as I have seen other brands recommend?
It didn't come with any instructions, & I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to all this detailing malarky!!
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Nope, should use it in a Foam Lance.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Originally Posted by Rob3rto View Post
Nope, should use it in a Foam Lance.
Hi Rob, whilst I see that most of the other snow foams are used with a gilmour or similar, the direct quote from "ultimate finish" web site is-

"NOTE: Auto-Foam is only recommended for use with pressure washers and is not suitable for use with foam guns such as the Gilmour. "
You may well be right, but with the above advice, I'm a tad confused!
Their advice line isn't open on the weekends, but I'll try to get hold of them next week, unless anyone else here has used the stuff before & can give an opinion.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Matt,

the Karcher foam lance/ built in detergent bottle are not for foaming products, you will need a foam lance as above, they range about £50ish bt u will be amazed at the results

YouTube - Autobrite Foam Lance
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

NEW - The Latest Addition To The Bilt-Hamber Car Detailing Range.

Bilt-Hamber Auto-Foam is a premium quality, foaming pre-wash treatment, designed to soak and saturate soiled vehicle paintwork prior to the application of vehicle shampoo. Auto-foam is gentle and designed to be used with all pressure washer foam lances.

Auto-Foam will "panel dwell" for approx 5 - 8 minutes
Auto-Foam is formulated specifically to offer maximum wetting
Easy to rinse off the vehicle
Tough on soil & grime - harmless to paint & wax
Non-caustic & biodegradable formulation
Auto-Foam’s bubbles will systematically burst and move around, encouraging the soaking and cleansing agents to start working. Road grime is lifted from painted surfaces and physically removed thereby minimising harm caused by swirling and marking during subsequent washing. Auto-Foam is washed off in the conventional manner, leaving the vehicle ready for the next process.

NOTE: Auto-Foam is only recommended for use with pressure washers and is not suitable for use with foam guns such as the Gilmour.

gilmour is a hose pipe foam lance, so wont have enough pressure to work correctly,

you will need a foam lance, to get the most out of the auto foam. is it the pre wash u have bought?
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

ChemGuy,
Thanks for replying.
OK, so I think I'm getting confused between a "foam gun such as the Gilmour" &
A "Foam Lance" (such as the Autobrite?).
So call me stupid, but hopefully you can see where the confusion lies, especially as the Karcher thing is called a "foam lance"!!
So now I've bought the bloomin' stuff (yes its the B.H. Auto Foam, not the pre-wash), I'm now going to have to go & hide a £50 purchase from the Mrs! Have you MET her???
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Originally Posted by manicatel View Post
ChemGuy,
Thanks for replying.
OK, so I think I'm getting confused between a "foam gun such as the Gilmour" &
A "Foam Lance" (such as the Autobrite?).
So call me stupid, but hopefully you can see where the confusion lies, especially as the Karcher thing is called a "foam lance"!!
So now I've bought the bloomin' stuff (yes its the B.H. Auto Foam, not the pre-wash), I'm now going to have to go & hide a £50 purchase from the Mrs! Have you MET her???
Matt.
Where are you in Essex?

Could always come over to me in Chadwell Heath and try mine before you buy one. Just bring your Snow Foam and Shampoo.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Originally Posted by manicatel View Post
ChemGuy,
Thanks for replying.
OK, so I think I'm getting confused between a "foam gun such as the Gilmour" &
A "Foam Lance" (such as the Autobrite?).
So call me stupid, but hopefully you can see where the confusion lies, especially as the Karcher thing is called a "foam lance"!!
So now I've bought the bloomin' stuff (yes its the B.H. Auto Foam, not the pre-wash), I'm now going to have to go & hide a £50 purchase from the Mrs! Have you MET her???
Matt.
yes its is a very common thing to misunderstand, the foam lance is like taking the foam to the next level, and yes the karcher foam gun, is good for a quick wash, but if u had/have a lance its the best if bother worlds

this link shows the foam gun
YouTube - Karcher Foam - Meguiars Hyperwash

this link shows the foam lance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S7X0r7FjB0&NR=1

same product megs hyperwash, but gun VS lance...and its the best £50 u will spend for a while, and your MRS will want a go when she sees the results...

and you will see an instant improvement over the foam quality and dwell time, first video will be able 0-1 minute but the seconds video 4-5 minutes maybe more. more foam = more lift of the dirt away from your paint work....= less swirls
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Chemguy,
OK, you've cleared that one up for me nicely. Those 2 youtube clips easily show the difference. NOW I understand!
I've ordered a foam lance to play with.
Thanks for that.
Rob3rto
Hi there, I'm up in North Essex, near Stansted airport. That's a kind invite to come down to yours & try the lance out, but hey, as I said above, I've bought a lance now, after seeing the video clips that Chemguy linked, so hopefully I'm sorted now.
Now I'm just going to trawl through some of the older posts to find out how best to mix the auto foam solution up!
Thanks for the offer!
Cheers guys
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Manicatel, for the sake of us snow-foam virgins out here would you list the various components which comprise the kit you have bought:

Karcher (is there a minimum size/spec etc?)
Foam lance - which model did you buy? There seem to be so many different ones listed on the website. What do you get with it?
Do you get different size bottles?
Do you get different nozzles?

Many thanks for an interesting thread.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Originally Posted by manicatel View Post
Now I'm just going to trawl through some of the older posts to find out how best to mix the auto foam solution up! Matt.
Originally Posted by springbok View Post
Karcher (is there a minimum size/spec etc?)
Foam lance - which model did you buy? There seem to be so many different ones listed on the website. What do you get with it?
Do you get different size bottles?
Do you get different nozzles?
Matt,
if you have bought yourself the 1ltr lance you will need about 1inch of solution and top the rest up with warm water, that should be enough for two coverings, of foam,

0.5lts lance bottle will need about 0.5inch of solution and top up with warm water.

1-rinse, 2-foam, 3-rinse, 4-foam and agitate, 5-rinse, clay, rinse, dry,glaze, wax seal, etc etc
please don't feel you have to follow all these steps, other that the first 5.


Springbok,
Karcher (is there a minimum size/spec etc?) you need to be looking at around 110/120 bar of pressure, less will work but its not as good.
Karcher K2.14 Pressure Washer. from Agros, B&Q etc

Foam lance - which model did you buy? There seem to be so many different ones listed on the website. What do you get with it?
Karcher Heavy Duty Foam Lance +1LTR Snow Foam, they are all the same they just had different fittings, if you order one make sure it has the correct fitment.

Do you get different size bottles?
1ltr and 0.5 ltr

Do you get different nozzles?
Nope it has a flat spray patten that which is adjustable from narrow to wide, for the angle and another knob for the mix of water/solution to air, example a weak mix or a strong mix

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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Thanks for this info.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Chemgut, you obviously know your stuff! Thanks a bundle for the info!

Springbok,
I too am a snow-foam virgin!
I've got a Karcher K2.94, I've bought the Bilt-Hamber Auto-foam. I've tried the cheapo-Karcher foam gun as per the youtube vid posted by Chemguy, which was only partially successful & seemed to use a lot of product for not much success. I've now ordered an "Autobrite" foam lance, with 1 ltr bottle,which hopefully will click on to the Karcher & off I go!
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Good luck Matt. Let us know how it goes......with pics if possible.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Hi again Springbok.
I'm away for business for a week or so ( in Mexico city ).
By the time I get back, the Lance should have arrived.
Assuming I don't get bloomin' swine flu (its all the rage over there at the moment, apparently), I'll have a couple of days to have a go at snow-foaming. Assuming the neighbours aren't watching, I'll try to take some stage-by-stage pics & post 'em up here.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

That will be great.

Good luck in Mexico and I hope you avoid the flu. Drink lots of Tequila.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

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That will be great.

Good luck in Mexico and I hope you avoid the flu. Drink lots of Tequila.
A more sensible solution would be make sure you wash your hands with an Alchoholic based cleaner and wear a face mask

Just like the brown anal discharge(cannot use the more polite word starting with sh) and urine that gets over everything due to people not washing their hands or wearing underwear (especially women), people sneezing puts contaminated mucus everwhere. So you get it on your hands and put it in your mouth when you eat

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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

I use "Russian Standard" vodka to disinfect my mouth, at least once an hour.. <hic!>

I've ordered a Gary-Gilmore foamaster foam-gun .. (can't be ardes to get the pressure washer out every time... and brother-in-law says I've borrowed it for long enough!)

Gilmore will plug onto my regular hosepipe. I'm going to put some Meguiars Hyperwash in it and it's supposed to be alright like that.. I'll stick some photos ... See if I can get the missus in there too, covered in foam!

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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

some ppl pay £15 a month for the adult channel, but if your gunna post pic for free bring it on!



(please note this was ment very light hearted, and was not a dig at your or you mrs, as i know some can be offended)

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I use "Russian Standard" vodka to disinfect my mouth, at least once an hour.. <hic!>

I've ordered a Gary-Gilmore foamaster foam-gun .. (can't be ardes to get the pressure washer out every time... and brother-in-law says I've borrowed it for long enough!)

Gilmore will plug onto my regular hosepipe. I'm going to put some Meguiars Hyperwash in it and it's supposed to be alright like that.. I'll stick some photos ... See if I can get the missus in there too, covered in foam!

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My missus is a Fox and she knows it..

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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

So it will be interesting to compare the "Gary-Gilmore" foam gun connected to a hosepipe with a genuine Foam Lance.

Look forward to the outcome.

Cannot comment on the other stuff "anal discharges" etc.
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

more videos for you to watch

Gilmour Foamaster II
YouTube - Gilmour Foamaster II Foam Gun - Auto Detailing

again a good unit for general wash but if u need a more in depth clean a foam lance is your answer...
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

Yes... the foam doesn't hang onto the car very long .. but that might be the shampoo rather than the gun. Anyways, I'll wait for the beast to arrive and then give it a test drive.


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Yes... the foam doesn't hang onto the car very long .. but that might be the shampoo rather than the gun. Anyways, I'll wait for the beast to arrive and then give it a test drive.


Ralf S.

correct you can put most shampoo's through your foam lance but its ment for a snowfoam, when i just want a quick tart up i

1, rinse,
2, snow foam,
3, rinse
4, shampoo via the foam lance, with my washmit
5, rinse,
6, Dry
7, most important cuppa T, white, 1 suger.....
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Re: yet another snow-foam/lance question!

I can't wait to purchase my own foam lance. But before I do that I will need to purchase a pressure washer. I came across this one for a really good price and I was wondering if I would be able to add a foam lance to this pressure washer. If the picture is not clear the pressure washer is made by "Command Pressure Washer"

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