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Hi since we have a few tuning companies on the board both powerbox and remap. Why don't all the companies post there performance figures lets say based on the 1.9 150bhp jtdm so that everyone on the forum can see the pro's and cons of the different products. Obviously the rolling road figures have to be independent but I would imagine any company worth its salt can organise that with no problem...I'm happy to go first if everyone else is in.

I keep suggesting this but it goes a bit quiet with no takers come on boys lets have a bit of fun
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Hey ho,

You say there are tuning companies on the forum but there are only really Angel, yourself and Jano (rarely).

I like to think I help out Red Dot as much as I can but I don't actually work for them.
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could be done at red dot's rolling road....

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could be done at red dot's rolling road....

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I would add, that only companies that write their own maps need apply...
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Hi since we have a few tuning companies on the board both powerbox and remap. Why don't all the companies post there performance figures lets say based on the 1.9 150bhp jtdm so that everyone on the forum can see the pro's and cons of the different products. Obviously the rolling road figures have to be independent but I would imagine any company worth its salt can organise that with no problem...I'm happy to go first if everyone else is in.

I keep suggesting this but it goes a bit quiet with no takers come on boys lets have a bit of fun
Why would you want to do that? - other than for your own personal ends (read PROFIT). Great idea though, so why don't you go first & publish YOUR figures here?
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While I have no doubt that your boxes do exactly what they say on the tin LT, I have no doubt tuners would not wish to partake in this said "Competition".

Angel, Red Dot, Celtic and AD Have stock claims freely available. I don't quite get what you want to acheive. Sure you can map a 1.9 JTDm to over 200 BHP. But then it's only a matter of time before you shag the clutch, turbo and the rest.
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Yep I will be more than happy to provide full rolling road figures, done independently by a specialist technical college and they are happy to verify the results.

As for why do it a. I'm sick of the remap good tuning box bad comments and b.whats wrong with making a PROFIT if you produce an excellent product. I will send our figures to the site admin tonight
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While I have no doubt that your boxes do exactly what they say on the tin LT, I have no doubt tuners would not wish to partake in this said "Competition".

Angel, Red Dot, Celtic and AD Have stock claims freely available. I don't quite get what you want to acheive. Sure you can map a 1.9 JTDm to over 200 BHP. But then it's only a matter of time before you shag the clutch, turbo and the rest.
Its not all about bhp we can take the 1.9 to 200bhp no problem its more about delivery and safety, in standard trim torque levels off at 2100rpm we have adjusted it so that it levels off at 2800rpm giving an additional 50ft-lb and a lovely spread of power in the mid range we've found 180bhp is the happiest level for a 159. I'm not trying to throw the cat in amongst the pigeons its simply a chance for us to show case our tunes and surely its of interest to forum members
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To keep the competition fair you would also need to do it with the same car.. Would you volunteer your 159? Rolling road it, remove the tuning box, stick on Red Dot's map, rolling road it, stick on Angel's map, rolling road it, stick on AutoDelta'smap, rolling road it, stick on Celtic's map, rolling road it and so on. Its a good idea but I can't see it happening, plus its pretty much academic that you can get massive improvements from either a remap or tuning box. I wouldn't put down your tuning box, its obviously good but there are dodgy ones out there.

Each engine is different, as is each rolling road. The differences between the maps aren't likely to be more than 5-10bhp, also each map may be differently suited to different induction set ups, etc..

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I would add, that only companies that write their own maps need apply...
Angel and Celtic may have gotten their maps of Red Dot but they have done their own development work on them since, adjusting what they see fit and going down different avenues, like Celtics FMIC set-up.. Its hard to say what is a "safe limit" for mapping a car, its more a gray scale than black or white. There's so many variables in car maintenence, driver technique, pure luck, whether or not a car with a remap is reliable, other than just the remap itself.

A good idea for a project LT, but I don't see it happening so simply.

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Hey ho,

You say there are tuning companies on the forum but there are only really Angel, yourself and Jano (rarely).

I like to think I help out Red Dot as much as I can but I don't actually work for them.
I get the feeling this might be more to do with those power-box things Autolusso sell too...
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I get the feeling this might be more to do with those power-box things Autolusso sell too...
I think LT's units are different from the Steinbauer P-Box that Ned sells?

Am I correct?
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I think LT's units are different from the Steinbauer P-Box that Ned sells?

Am I correct?
Yes, I think that's correct. Although I'd be very interested in hearing reports from people who have had such systems fitted, or indeed independent evaluations of the various systems, I'd hate to think that this was a back-door way of getting a bit of free advertising...
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Hi since we have a few tuning companies on the board both powerbox and remap. Why don't all the companies post there performance figures lets say based on the 1.9 150bhp jtdm so that everyone on the forum can see the pro's and cons of the different products. Obviously the rolling road figures have to be independent but I would imagine any company worth its salt can organise that with no problem...I'm happy to go first if everyone else is in.

I keep suggesting this but it goes a bit quiet with no takers come on boys lets have a bit of fun
As you appear confident, let's see the figures then - if you want to sell your product. I can plug my laptop into any OBD2 port & alter the fueling maps to give horrendous bhp figures - but I'd probably give you an engine that grenaded within 200 miles...
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I think its a good idea - actions speak louder then words; lets see the evidence
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Hi Mike, if you wish to run a free rolling road day for members, you should contact the relevant rep who will work with you to promote your event. But you should start by sending a PM to regional support.

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Hi Ian

I will do, I'm wanting to tie it in with a new product launch and a popular motoring magazine will be taking the pictures so a bit of fame for our cars (with number plates blanked out), and an acknowledgment to the forum in the mag. It should be really good fun, but organising it is a bit like juggling feral cats at the moment, I've told our software guy that he'll be waking up to bits of his Porsche on his pillow if he doesn't pull his finger out!!!
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BTW if you want to do such competition, you need a dyno BUT not the rolling road type, as it is unreliable for precise measures.
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BTW if you want to do such competition, you need a dyno BUT not the rolling road type, as it is unreliable for precise measures.
Providing it is the same dyno, you use the same car, and the calculations are correct then it won't make any difference for what LT is trying to acheive. A rolling road will be more than adequate.
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Partly agree with kgb, a dyno that measures power at the wheel hubs would get rid of the tyre grip, weight of the brakes/wheels from the equation. Not really much more hassle than R/Ring the car but it does simplify the process somewhat.
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Partly agree with kgb, a dyno that measures power at the wheel hubs would get rid of the tyre grip, weight of the brakes/wheels from the equation. Not really much more hassle than R/Ring the car but it does simplify the process somewhat.
Still don't think it will make any difference to the results that LT is trying to acheive.
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Still don't think it will make any difference to the results that LT is trying to acheive.
Obviously if you used the same car, the only thing being different each time on the rolling road was the map/Powerbox then yes you're right, it shouldn't make any difference.
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Obviously if you used the same car, the only thing being different each time on the rolling road was the map/Powerbox then yes you're right, it shouldn't make any difference.
That's exactly what I mean.
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