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I wish it was the same for my E72. Mine won't load the text boxes properly on AO, new or old. Instead it just shows the box as the same colour as the background. It lets me input text, but when it is submitted, it fails to send the text so I get the "you need to input more than 3 characters" message.
The only way I can reply to a thread on AO with my '72 is to use Opera Mini (which I hate BTW) as I am now.
Phil, I suggest upgrading the firmware on your handset, which (as I am sure you are aware), you can do via the Nokia Software Updater software, as bundled with the Nokia PC Suite application.

I upgraded the firmware on my '72 last Friday, so it's now running version 22.007.

Upgrading the firmware solved a number of minor issues I had with the 'phone, so may fix your browsing problems when using the bundled Symbian 60 default web browser (which I agree is usually much better to use than the frankly hateful Opera Mini).

Worth a go, seeing as it's all available free, gratis and for nothing.

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I'm not a fan of the lost space on the right hand side of the screen but I'm getting used to it

Overall, I like the look and the the tie up with Alfa is a major coup
I agree on the tie up with Alfa but it's only worth it if they start listening to customer complaints and take notice of technical issues noted on here.

You of all people Simon must be well aware of that..........
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I agree on the tie up with Alfa but it's only worth it if they start listening to customer complaints and take notice of technical issues noted on here.

You of all people Simon must be well aware of that..........
I sure am, sadly, so let's hope this is a start of a power to the people movement

Anyway, we detract......
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I have only one complaint.

I don't like the stuff down the right hand sight. I browse on 16:9 widescreen laptop and use one half of the screen for the browser. This new setup reduces too much screen size. Wouldn't be so bad, but most of the stuff down the side is useless and I'd never use it.

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Surely all it has done is made the threads a little longer.....No big deal...is it?

Maybe this version is better
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The wasted space is just irritating, that's all - especially for those who work on a small screen.

The AR link is interesting. It can certainly benefit AR of course and I imagine it benefits AO financially. If this means that AO paid members pay reduced site fees then that's good. As others have said, the link is only of any real use to the membership at large if AR actually listen to their customers. From past experience, we already know the answer to that. The beneficiaries are obvious then...
 
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It always staggers me when manufactures don't take notice of the enthusiast and members clubs. It's obvious good business sense to listen to your core and knowledgeable market.

I have a friend who is a member of an unofficial Land-rover forum. When the new D3 came out there were teething problems and lots of knowledgeable loyal customers providing good quality feedback on the vehicles. Landrover listened, built up good relations (organised factory tours etc) and worked on resolving the issues in updated models and the new D4.

It's practically free R&D and long term testing.

Let's hope AR take a similar enlightened view.
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It always staggers me when manufactures don't take notice of the enthusiast and members clubs. It's obvious good business sense to listen to your core and knowledgeable market.

I have a friend who is a member of an unofficial Land-rover forum. When the new D3 came out there were teething problems and lots of knowledgeable loyal customers providing good quality feedback on the vehicles. Landrover listened, built up good relations (organised factory tours etc) and worked on resolving the issues in updated models and the new D4.

It's practically free R&D and long term testing.

Let's hope AR take a similar enlightened view.
Certainly that's my hope as well.

Unfortunately the 'Fortress' mentality seems to be entrenched within the Fiat Group, so quite honestly I doubt whether it would happen. Years of under-funded R&D has meant a continous stream of poor functionality with certain components. This certainly extends to many of the 'ancilliaries' such as suspension, although most of these components are sub-contracted out to other manufacturers. Perhaps that's the point? The Fiat Group have no real control over the 'quality' of these components, hence the continuing issues. Or rather lack of R&D has led to over-reliance on sub-contracted parts in the first place?

I do wonder though if any senior management at Alfa Romeo take a look at this Forum, and take heed of any of the long-running issues discussed?

Back on topic. Would it be an idea to put the adverts along the bottom of the page, instead of the side? That way we'd get the page width back, and only lose a bit of depth when scrolling down? (or you could have the ads in a permanent window at the bottom, so when scrolling they'd always be there? Is that possible?)

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Perhaps that's the point? The Fiat Group have no real control over the 'quality' of these components, hence the continuing issues. Or rather lack of R&D has led to over-reliance on sub-contracted parts in the first place?
There's as much control over components bought in from sub-contractors as there is for parts manufactured in-house. Bought-in parts are made to customer specs, suppliers are subject to regular quality audits & incoming supplies are randomly checked to ensure that they meet the agreed spec.

It's not a matter of over-reliance on sub-contractors, it's more a matter of buying components from the specialists in the field.

In Alfa's case, taking suspension components as a glaring example, poor design & inferior material specs are the root cause of the problem.
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Guys, thanks for the feedback, humans are funny with change, if we launched the site with the side bar it would be accepted, it’s been an amazingly positive thread, you are all great and we appreciate honest constructive criticism

We will now close this thread as its seems to be going a bit too off topic, try not to scare of Alfa before they have even arrived, AO and Alfa have the best intentions but with derogatory comments from a few (Some posts already removed) will not aid us in getting them fully on board.

Alfa Romeo are helping us and in return we are helping them, no need to look any deeper than this!?
AO has made a loss for 8 years out of nine so I am afraid there will be no let up in club subscriptions just yet, if more people contributed, this would be an option but just wanted to clear that up.

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