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I kinda wish I hadn't posted the link now
Yep, here's the real blame everyone! Using a forum to discuss subject matter that the forum is about.
Seriously though, don't worry, so is Clive giving you a finders fee? I'm confused.
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Going off topic here...

I spoke to Clive about my green car because he was trying to work one of his other customers cars into me that had been returned to him. I was kind of on the fence about buying it and saw my current green car up for sale, which is when I contacted Clive to let him know I was considering buying this one (He knew I was looking for another V6). He then tried to contact that seller and buy the car (again) so it's no surprisingly really he's showing his true colours here again.
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Going off topic here...

I spoke to Clive about my green car because he was trying to work one of his other customers cars into me that had been returned to him. I was kind of on the fence about buying it and saw my current green car up for sale, which is when I contacted Clive to let him know I was considering buying this one (He knew I was looking for another V6). He then tried to contact that seller and buy the car (again) so it's no surprisingly really he's showing his true colours here again.
That's not how it was & you know that.

The car wasn't returned to me but after 3 months of ownership offered back as he now needed a tow wagon for his race car. I didn't call you & offer it to you. You called me about something & I told you I'd been offered it. I only bought it back because you said you wanted it. You were even asking if you could pay in a few weeks, buy it without the Konis &/or the Teledials etc. Your green car came along well after I'd bought it back. You can't reserve every GTV that takes your fancy.

I can understand you're upset/annoyed but you should've secured the car. I really don't know why you didn't.

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I think this thread should be locked or deleted before things get out of hand + it's hardly 'technical assistance'. It should be in the Rant lounge....if anywhere!?

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I don't personally know any of you involved but a bit of advice. If you see a car you like don't post it up anywhere and especially on a forum of like minded people.

Yes, I know the original poster was not a potential buyer, but whilst we are on the subject I thought I'd offer some minor advice.

I don't understand why the seller behaved as he did. I don't sell cars, I don't sell anything (at least not making a profit) but I'm sure I'd have phoned Andy back first before selling to Clive.
However I think for Clive to say Andy should have drove down and bought it is a bit much. Andy did offer to leave a deposit (by transfer?). The seller was a bad'n for sure.

Car salesman. It takes a certain type.
Just wait until I want a V6 and Clive has the perfect one "****off Malc"

Priorities I find, are usually someone else's.
Statements above are all my own opinion and not fact.
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Andy I saw a car for sale that might make up for it. I would be biting the sellers arm off to buy it if I didn't have (and love) my GTV. Is a TS spider but don't let that put you off as its rather special. PM me ASAP if interested and ill send you the details as I wont be posting the link on this forum but you will need to act quickly. I have no commercial interest in the matter and am certainly not a dealer trying it on.
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I kinda wish I hadn't posted the link now
It's not your fault, your post simply drew attention to what is a car which the owner under valued. I posted the lovely green V6 a week or so ago , someone on hear bought it, that car was nearer to 7K. The point about this is really the seller is at fault. If he agreed a price with Andy, he should have stuck to the deal or phoned Andy to say he had received a better offer. Which he didn't. Clive is a car dealer and if he thinks he can buy something for a more and still probably make 2-3K on it he will, that is his business and what happens, he buys cars at one price and turns them round for another.
If the seller agreed a figure verbally with Andy that in law is a contract. So Andy that's up to you if you want to take it further.
There is clearly a bit of "History" between the two of them and sadly it has ended up this way.

I like to add we shouldn't stop posting cars that we see for sale, because of what has happened. There are many other members on the forum that might like to buy them, not just Clive and Andy!
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Both sides of the story have been heard. I see no reason to delete (except for a small edit to remove a personal comment.) It's up to readers to decide what they think of what happened.

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So sad to see this thread end up this way. Especially in a friendly forum community where we should be helping each other out.

My main grievance would be with the seller though for reneging on the agreed deal.

As for Clive's antics well there are no friends in business as they say but I would've thought given the history some curtesy to be offered to Andy on this.
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It's pretty sham what happened, however as many have said, a good proportion of the barrel is at the seller here. In my view it is more common sense than anything else however if you have agreed and promised something with a buyer then you honor it (unless the buyer does happen to pull out of course, I know, that's not great either). So to me this seller clearly doesn't have many brain cells, if any at all. If the seller knew they could get more then they should have thought about that in the first place before making the crap hit the fan.

I've sold stuff before where I had people asking and offering more after the deal was agreed and the simple answer put kindly was "I'm sorry but it has gone." Although it seems like saying no is too difficult for quite a few sellers now, the greed must just be too strong. Yes maybe you can get more, but at the cost of respect and credibility it just isn't worth it.
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Am actually quite interested to hear how the car goes and see some pics now. Maybe even a video to hear the noise of the supercharger.

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heres the car I mentioned earlier. sold for 5,600.
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Sorry cgc, all the while this thread is still up I shan't be posting anything on AO regarding the car in question.......especially in this thread!! Plus I don't wish to rub salt into Andy's wounds.

I've asked for the thread to be deleted, perhaps if some of you did the same then the mods might listen?

Coincidentally two GTVs have come up for sale this week which, under similar circumstances, I thought I'd bought. Cup 007 I'd even started to check the costs for a transporter but then suddenly a feable excuse that a part was missing under the bonnet & the seller would come back to me in a few days. Needless to say no communication & any texts/phonecalls from me weren't answered. I was offered the silver GTV end of last week & was only waiting for some pictures, I was investigating flying down to Newquay to collect & suddenly it's appeared on Ebay! I haven't bothered to phone back, no point. The Cup was a private seller, silver one trade.

2002 ALFA GTV CUP V6 3.0 24v Build No. 007 For Sale on Car And Classic UK [C754280]

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This goes to show that until you've paid for, & in extreme circumstances collected as well, something it's never 100% yours.

Yesterday I took a deposit on a car I only advertised on Thursday morning. I had 3 enquiries on Friday, yesterday I took a deposit from a family who came, viewed & test drove it before leaving a deposit, collecting next Saturday. This morning I've had a phonecall from someone who wants to view it, even though I updated my adverts yesterday to state 'Deposit Taken', but I've said 'it's sold but if for any reason the sale doesn't complete I'll get back to you'.

This is how to conduct yourself & how to buy or sell a car.

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Are there ethics and morality in car sales, house sales, gentleman's agreements, deals etc....mostly it's all pap.

Seller wanted to minimise losses and sell for more after realising that circa 5K was totally undervaluing his car, first perspective buyer believed that a gentleman's/verbal agreement would be binding over the phone over a matter of days with no deposit for a car knowingly totally undervalued; the successful buyer using info from the forum secured the car by it would appear offering more money, knowing a 'deal' had possibly already been done and collecting the car quickly to ensure he secured the car, thus gazumping the other buyer.

If that is the situation it happens all the time, I lost a Fiat Coupe LE in this manner a few years' ago on another forum and I put it down to experience, there are genuine sellers out there, there are also sharks and shysters (sellers, buyers), until the seller has the money and you are driving the car away it seems nothing is certain.

Now the cars are worth more money this will increase, lots of buyers flipping good Coupes at the moment and sticking on 2-3 grand.

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"In modern business it is not the crook who is to be feared most, it is the honest man who doesn't know what he is doing." William Wordsworth

As for deleting the thread? Why? It happened and why not let people be aware and make their own assumptions, deleting this thread would be a disgrace and pandering to the whim of one person's viewpoint or credibility (or lack thereof).
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I'm just surprised no one thought to tell the seller what a gem he had and just how much he had undervalued it. No wonder there was a scramble.

That is a seriously rare and interesting car!

Clive, have you still got it? Is there any chance at all that you would post a bit about your impressions of it? It deserves a feature magazine article.
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I'm just surprised no one thought to tell the seller what a gem he had and just how much he had undervalued it. No wonder there was a scramble.

That is a seriously rare and interesting car!

Clive, have you still got it? Is there any chance at all that you would post a bit about your impressions of it? It deserves a feature magazine article.
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Bejesus that's a 10k uplift on this car from the original sale price.

That is some uplift !
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I would think the original seller would be spitting feathers if he see's what the sale price is now, 14,995.
For some reason he clearly didn't realise what he had. You still have to find a buyer, but at the difference of around 10k, Clive can wait and someone will come along. It's a one off. That is business and how he earns his living.
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I would always put a deposit down in person to secure a car
Especially something as rare and special as this GTV
Seller is obviously lacking morals however
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It's a tricky market with 'classic' cars currently. If you need a top class V6 GTV then I'm sure this fits the bill and with Clive you are pretty safe. Most of us (apart from investors and traders) don't buy cars to profit but I'd personally be wary of buying one at this price if you needed to sell quick because of financial problems. I don't believe (other than trade) this is where they currently are.
I've seen this done with a certain Ferrari reseller too.
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