Mitch was just pointing out the fact that the "car" you drive isn't that similar from the "cars" we drive
get a grip and stop being childish.
I only joined this discussion as Mitch saw fit to personally insult the OP, for simply stating something that in my experience (and clearly that of some other posters) is true.
All the JTS engines I have driven have felt gutless i.e. they have little torque and don’t feel very quick on the road. To get anywhere you have to work them really hard, making them inflexible and not that quick in ‘real world’ driving. I don’t know how anyone who has driven a reasonable spread of cars can argue otherwise, unless of course I just happened to drive three duff examples.
To suggest that a 2.0 twinnie must feel the same to drive as a 5 cylinder diesel because they have a similar 0-60 time is just daft. The characters of the cars are polar opposites; low down usable grunt and twist but with a narrow band, versus thin torque peaking higher up the rev range.
To me a gutless car is one that you have to work really hard to make meaningful progress. My NA MR2s were like that, as was our old MX5, as were the 156/ GT/ GTV JTSs that I have driven. Its not to say they cannot be quick or fun in the right conditions, but in many situations they lack usable grunt. A good case in point was when joining the motorway in the V6 156 I have just picked up the other day. I dropped it down to fourth and pulled out, only for very little to happen, leading to me actually partly cutting up a guy who was some distance behind but coming up at speed (sorry mate). A diesel or turbo petrol would have had the guts to pick up and shift along, but the NA didn’t.
I am not a diesel fanboy by any means – I have very little passion for my Spider to be honest. I view it as a functional commuter and client friendly car that just happens to be wrapped up in a pretty body. It is heavy, smoky and wobbly. However it does have a lot of grunt, as do all the Alfa 2.4s and even the 1.9. 2.0 JTDs.
Performance figures are largely pointless in the real world – it is all about the way a car feels and how it performs in real driving conditions. Great case in point is the Honda S2000. 240 bhp and 0-60 in 6 seconds suggests it should be blistering to drive. However, try overtaking in that thing in intermittent traffic and it is a mammoth task of rifling through the box and forward planning, whilst the same situation in a moden four pot diesel or turbo petrol with a lower power output would be much easier. Drive a Civic Type R back to back with a Golf GTi; identical on paper but totally different in practice. Conversely many ‘gutless’ NA petrols can still be fun on an empty B road when you have the space to wring out each gear and seek out that elusive torque. They are just more dependent on the right driving conditions.
If trying to step away from a frustrating and pointless argument makes me childish then so be it. I guess the fact that I have come back for another piece only proves I must be! Then again we are all a bit childish I guess otherwise we wouldn’t waste hours debating minutia on an internet forum. But then I suppose that’s what being a petrolhead is about.
Sorry for interupting your thread OP. Right, I am off to do some 'grown up' stuff.