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Looky Looky Well that was lucky!

Here's the story. Mr. Alfa Owner books in his GTV V6 with us for a clutch & flywheel change. Simple enough. "Oh and by the way, the cam belt isn't due but can you have a look in there as I sometimes hear a bit of a rubbing-type noise".

And then we discovered this:

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What a lucky save! The cambelt has worn away to pretty much half its original thickness, yet it was still intact! We see cambelts like this all the time on V6s, but they don't drive into the workshop, they get lifted in with the forklift truck before being broken for spares, coz they've snapped.. This belt probably only had days to live. Makes you think doesn't it - the belt & tensioner was changed only 40k ago but whoever did the work failed to change the idlers, and 40k later the idlers have a bit of play in them which is allowing the belt to slip sideways off and rub through on the metal casings. On the first picture you can even see where the metal casing has got so hot the paint has flaked and the metal underneath has started to tarnish due to the high heat. We've also filled a little jiffy bag with the powdered remains of the belt

Means a full cambelt change is now needed but it has at least avoided ruining the engine

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Was going to post the same thing at lunch , will probably use it as an example on the shop.
 
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Fookin Hell , he was very lucky, did you ask him what the lottery numbers are
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Good point!
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How did the owner react? Was he happy at the save or annoyed that his service is going to cost more?
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That's pretty impressive, just shows if you scrimp it'll usually cost you more in the long run.
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The thing is even when i was at the dealership i made sure every V6 had its idlers done on the cambelt change.

But even then some customers tried asking for just the belt and tensioner till i explained why

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The Belt snapped on my Citroen dispatch van not so long ago, it had worn exactly the same as that. The previous cambelt also wore thin, even though I had changed the tensioners I didn't change the water pump.
This time I changed everything and cut a small inspection hatch on the cover with my dremmel so I can see if this belt goes the same way. It only takes a fraction of wear on an iddler or pulley it seems.
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I guess it could have been the garages fault rather than the owners that the tensioners weren't changed at 40k?
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How did the owner react? Was he happy at the save or annoyed that his service is going to cost more?
Bit of both - obviously glad its been saved but its still a big added expense.
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Lucky to catch that in time.
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I guess it could have been the garages fault rather than the owners that the tensioners weren't changed at 40k?
They're not on the service schedule to ever be changed though (officially), just cam belt & tensioner, they were probably fine 40k ago when the cambelt was changed so they were left. Can't really blame the original garage for that, no-one can really say whether a bearing that is fine at 72k will be fine for another 72k or not, you either change them anyway or take a chance.. From how many breakers I see in a similar state I'd never take a chance, but not many garages will have the same knowledge especially if they are just local garages without Alfa experience.
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I take it the same applies to the TS cambelt? I remember doing idlers and tensioners on my spider. The GTV didn't have any receipts to prove it just that it had its cambelt changed. Little bit more relieved I sold it now!
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I take it the same applies to the TS cambelt? I remember doing idlers and tensioners on my spider. The GTV didn't have any receipts to prove it just that it had its cambelt changed. Little bit more relieved I sold it now!
Its always recommended on all cambelt changes to change the idlers and tensioners as to minimise that problem.

The other risk is the bearing physically fails and takes out the cambelt.
 
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Whats the recommended mileage interval for a cam belt change on a V6?

Mine is coming up to 33k since it was done with the engine change. Thought it had been reduced from the original manufacturer figure.

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Whats the recommended mileage interval for a cam belt change on a V6?

Mine is coming up to 33k since it was done with the engine change. Thought it had been reduced from the original manufacturer figure.

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Alfa still advise 72k or 5 years(4 years if driven hard) but most dealers advise 60k & recommend tensioner + idlers as well.

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Ive seen some people that careful they've changed it at every 36K
 
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Ive seen some people that careful they've changed it at every 36K
I you have a TS thats exactly what you should do.
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Whats the recommended mileage interval for a cam belt change on a V6?

Mine is coming up to 33k since it was done with the engine change. Thought it had been reduced from the original manufacturer figure.

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Do you have the date of when it was changed? Do you know if it was just belt & tensioner or belt, tensioner & 2 x idlers?
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I you have a TS thats exactly what you should do.
Yep, but on a V6 is very early but at least it means their engines well looked after
 
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Bloomin heck! Scary. It took me a while to register what had actually happened, I couldn't believe how thin that belt was.
 
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