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Alfa still advise 72k or 5 years(4 years if driven hard) but most dealers advise 60k & recommend tensioner + idlers as well.

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Ive seen some people that careful they've changed it at every 36K
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I you have a TS thats exactly what you should do.
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Do you have the date of when it was changed? Do you know if it was just belt & tensioner or belt, tensioner & 2 x idlers?
thats ok then!

I'd heard the 36k figure before but thought it was for v6.

It was done by you chaps at Autolusso in Nov 2007 with 90k on the clock.

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Bloody hell!

It took me a while to register what the issue was at first as well but jeez, talk about a ticking time bomb!!

I think i will check mine now
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when i changed mine not long ago it had been rubbed badly also, turned out the cover was incorrectly installed and was pushing down too far (this is what the mech suggested)

Now it makes a wurring noise that it never did, i took it straight back to the mech and he said it would die down in a few 100 ks???? Does this sound correct?
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The belt on my dad's 164 came off with a big chunk out of it...looked like a stone could have got caught in it. That was found on the journey to get it changed and a very very quick chase with an M3
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when i changed mine not long ago it had been rubbed badly also, turned out the cover was incorrectly installed and was pushing down too far (this is what the mech suggested)

Now it makes a wurring noise that it never did, i took it straight back to the mech and he said it would die down in a few 100 ks???? Does this sound correct?

Doesnt sound correct to me. Which Mechanic ??!!!
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Enough to make you paranoid. I lost count of the number of belt changes I had done on my first GTV - a TS - and I always sprung for the variator as well ('tho reading elsewhere on this site it wasn't nessesary).
Bought my 01 V6 last month from Veloces, and asked them to do a cambelt change before I picked the car up even though it wasn't due - just in case. It was only 5k since the last one, but it was 5 years. I've now run and checked the invoice to make sure they did the idlers - and they did, the beauties.
You experts out there - given the above pictures, is it worth getting the belt inspected every service?
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Enough to make you paranoid. I lost count of the number of belt changes I had done on my first GTV - a TS - and I always sprung for the variator as well ('tho reading elsewhere on this site it wasn't nessesary).
Bought my 01 V6 last month from Veloces, and asked them to do a cambelt change before I picked the car up even though it wasn't due - just in case. It was only 5k since the last one, but it was 5 years. I've now run and checked the invoice to make sure they did the idlers - and they did, the beauties.
You experts out there - given the above pictures, is it worth getting the belt inspected every service?
You could cut a small square, say 1cm squared, out of the belt cover so you can visibly see the belt yourself at all times, by shining in a torch. Might not be a bad idea. If it was the top belt cover you cut, the chances of getting any debris in there is very very marginal. Probably more likely you'll get play in an idler than you will get debris in there.
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thats ok then!

I'd heard the 36k figure before but thought it was for v6.

It was done by you chaps at Autolusso in Nov 2007 with 90k on the clock.

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OK, it'll have had the idlers then, and is only 3 years old next month, so I'd say you've got another relatively risk-free year on that belt and then you might want to think about changing it.

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when i changed mine not long ago it had been rubbed badly also, turned out the cover was incorrectly installed and was pushing down too far (this is what the mech suggested)

Now it makes a wurring noise that it never did, i took it straight back to the mech and he said it would die down in a few 100 ks???? Does this sound correct?
Wurring noise.. Did they change the idlers? If not, that could be the sound made by a nice, new tight belt, putting more stress on the idler bearings than your old, worn, slightly slacker belt did. I would take off the top belt cover and look inside for any rubber-powder from a belt that is wearing away against the casing.

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I think rubber cam belts are one of the worst inventions every. It was far better when the engines had a metal chain. My old 3.5 V8 rover had a chain, then after several years I swapped her in for a newer 2.3. I guess I took it for granted it too had a chain, Big mistake, 6 months in, the dam thing snapped and the engine broke. I'm almost paranoid about the the cam belt. Then there's the expense.
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Aren't some modern cars going back to timing chains?
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Quite a few newer engines are going back to chains, I don't know about any of the new alfa/fiat stuff though.
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Another couple of thousand miles on that belt !!


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I like the bit where it is suggested 5yr/60k mile.. I drive my car much less than the average so I don't want to get hit up for another cambelt in 3 years. However, in the Australian cars they put a 3yr recommendation on all engines.
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I like the bit where it is suggested 5yr/60k mile.. I drive my car much less than the average so I don't want to get hit up for another cambelt in 3 years. However, in the Australian cars they put a 3yr recommendation on all engines.
you may drive it less but unfortunately the rubbers and materials deteriorate with age

The AUS have done what the french did with the citroen saxo's they were only designed to last so many years and now toy see them where the door hinges detach from the body
 
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I don't get your post. Except the bit about materials deteriorating with age. I understand that. But how can the UK Alfas get a 5yr recommendation when Australian Alfas get a 3yr recommendation? FWIW, our cars seem to hold up better here than over there! I'm on the original radiator after 12 years. Going on 13! When I've read people here saying the radiators last 6 years max.

I'm guessing Alfa Australia was keen on making money! But if it is safe to run for 4 years, I will do it. Probably won't stretch to 5.
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I think they should go back to overhead valve engines with gear driven cams.

Ok, the valve control is not as accurate at high RPM isn't as good, but on a road car that probably wouldn't matter. Especially on a diesel.

It would do away with the downsides of Chains and Belts, as well as making engines more compact.

Now, where can I get a ford Cologne V6?
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What's the temperature range of plexiglass? A plexiglass cambelt cover? Or just a stupid idea as you could just cut a spyhole in a standard cambelt cover?
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Here's the story. Mr. Alfa Owner books in his GTV V6 with us for a clutch & flywheel change. Simple enough. "Oh and by the way, the cam belt isn't due but can you have a look in there as I sometimes hear a bit of a rubbing-type noise".

And then we discovered this:

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What a lucky save! The cambelt has worn away to pretty much half its original thickness, yet it was still intact! We see cambelts like this all the time on V6s, but they don't drive into the workshop, they get lifted in with the forklift truck before being broken for spares, coz they've snapped.. This belt probably only had days to live. Makes you think doesn't it - the belt & tensioner was changed only 40k ago but whoever did the work failed to change the idlers, and 40k later the idlers have a bit of play in them which is allowing the belt to slip sideways off and rub through on the metal casings. On the first picture you can even see where the metal casing has got so hot the paint has flaked and the metal underneath has started to tarnish due to the high heat. We've also filled a little jiffy bag with the powdered remains of the belt

Means a full cambelt change is now needed but it has at least avoided ruining the engine
hey ive a 98 146 as the title says, had all the rust chopped out of her this august, sills, drain plug areas and 1/2 the floor, shes on 74k now and in good nick, bought it off a bloke in england at 72k, man have i had trouble trying to get a garage to do the timing belt, 5 out of 6 garages said no! but 1 small country garage said yes, im getting the whole lot done, belt, tensioners, pulleys, the lower belt aswell as the water pump, the whole shibang, aswell as i think he said the variator or actuater, i have read about it in this forum before, he said it doesnt do much damage but its noisy as hell. anyway, my 146 is on the road to being a restored looked after gem, after seeing those photos i hope it makes the 15 mile drive to the garage this saturday, anyway, for all that work its about 700 pounds, 360 for parts, the rest labour, im up in scotlans aberdeenshire, i dont have alfa garages coming out my ears like you boys in england and the borders, so what do you think, id like to hear some experienced opinions of you fellow alfa enthusiasts.
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make sure they have the correct cam locking tools. see HERE without them it will be far too easy to get the timing a bit out and then you're in trouble. do not under any circumstances let them do it without them. if it were me i would seriously consider sourcing them myself and letting them borrow them for the job. much better than the issues you'll have if they don't use them
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hey ive a 98 146 as the title says, had all the rust chopped out of her this august, sills, drain plug areas and 1/2 the floor, shes on 74k now and in good nick, bought it off a bloke in england at 72k, man have i had trouble trying to get a garage to do the timing belt, 5 out of 6 garages said no! but 1 small country garage said yes, im getting the whole lot done, belt, tensioners, pulleys, the lower belt aswell as the water pump, the whole shibang, aswell as i think he said the variator or actuater, i have read about it in this forum before, he said it doesnt do much damage but its noisy as hell. anyway, my 146 is on the road to being a restored looked after gem, after seeing those photos i hope it makes the 15 mile drive to the garage this saturday, anyway, for all that work its about 700 pounds, 360 for parts, the rest labour, im up in scotlans aberdeenshire, i dont have alfa garages coming out my ears like you boys in england and the borders, so what do you think, id like to hear some experienced opinions of you fellow alfa enthusiasts.

sounds too expensive to me, more like 500ish inc vat.

Why not ask some independent Alfa specialists to quote you a price & then barter with your local garage?

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I've just had mine done for 315, including the variator!
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I've just had mine done for 315, including the variator!
was that using genuine parts, including vat?

add a water pump (&vat) approx 500.

I would also advise checking the oil pump/crankshaft end float as I had one start to leak 1 week after having the cambelt & water pump etc changed in a 2.0 147. Most of the work had to be done all over again, now that was unlucky!

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Yes, genuine parts and vat. No water pump tho...
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