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GTV Key Help

Hi all, i love a challenge so i have (possibly stupidly) purchased a GTV V6 1999 with.... No Key's! Whoop whoop.

Now i know all about nightmare brown and red keys - did a fair bit of research before taking the plunge (car was a good price).

Im off to Alfa tomorrow to see if they can help but im expecting some seroius bucks might be required.

The car has been sitting for a while so the battery is flat and the car is locked.

I just wanted to know my options really.

Do i:

A. Smash windw and steering lock and reverse engineer the locks and ecu
B. Get spare alfa key from dealer and work on starting the engine at a later date
C. Lock smith
D. None of the above it's hopeless

Car first built Jan 1999 - if it helps (S plate)

Any help would be great, ta.
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B is the first course of action I would say, you need a key to disarm the immobiliser so smashing the window would be for nothing.
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I have a complete lock and ECU set at a good price (less than what alfa would charge anyway!), but as mine is a P reg it may be different as far as the ECU goes? Cheaper option to get a full set no doubt, because someone somewhere has the keys
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someone somewhere has the keys
Yeah this is always worrying.

I think getting it moving anyway possible is my first molehill.
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as they said, get yourself on ebay, and find one being broken and simply replace the ECU and all the locks, job done
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Do i really need to replace the ECU, that sounds a bit drastic
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The immobiliser code is stored in it
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You have done a status (HPi) check in this I assume. Sounds a strange state of affiars.

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as I understand it you will need a lock set & the yellow key code box(ecu) which fits under the dash near the steering column.

Only a matching set will do as the code box isn't transferable.

Ask an Alfa specialist like Autolusso.

A locksmith probably can open the doors & maybe turn the ignition to release the steering lock but without an original key to copy they can't code another key-catch 22.

Apparently the master key is only needed to program a new key code box(expensive) not to copy new keys from.

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Yes Hpi clear. Also checked status with DVLA. All ok

So what sort of price am i looking at for keys, lock and the ecu?
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If its not the main ECU and its just the yellow box, I can do the lot for a good price. I was under the assumption that the main ECU was needed.
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I have a similar problem, car will not start, engine turns over no spark or fuel injectors opening. I have a red key only which fits all barrels and locks. Did the battery disconnection from the car removed key etc and replaced as per the link by Clive but to no avail.

car is a 2000cc X plate GTV

What can I do now.

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I have a similar problem, car will not start, engine turns over no spark or fuel injectors opening. I have a red key only which fits all barrels and locks. Did the battery disconnection from the car removed key etc and replaced as per the link by Clive but to no avail.

car is a 2000cc X plate GTV

What can I do now.

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could be the main injector relay:

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...dnt-start.html

or if you only have 1 key it might have lost its code?!!!

Get a locksmith to read its code & get another one cut anyway.

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If its not the main ECU and its just the yellow box, I can do the lot for a good price. I was under the assumption that the main ECU was needed.

You were correct - the key / code box / ECU are matched, so need to be replaced together, if you go that route. You can order a key via an Alfa Dealer, who can subsequently code it to the car, but it will be pricy - prices vary dependent on particular model but can easily be 200 - has the advantage that you don't need to change all the locks on the car, though....but if you think someone may have the keys that may actually be a disadvantage
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I have a similar problem, car will not start, engine turns over no spark or fuel injectors opening. I have a red key only which fits all barrels and locks. Did the battery disconnection from the car removed key etc and replaced as per the link by Clive but to no avail.

car is a 2000cc X plate GTV

What can I do now.

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Does the code light on the dash go out?....if so its not an immobiliser/code issue. Probably dodgy wiring to the underbonnet relays....
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OK!

So now to next problem. If i can't get into the car without force then i need an alternative for moving it. So i'll need to get the car transported 50 miles. How?
Anyone one know how i can get the car lifted onto a low loader and moved?

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Was this the V6 I saw on eBay last week in bideford which had no keys or V5?? Seemed very dodgy to me, imagined somebodys next door neighbor coming home to an empty driveway lol
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Getting into it shouldnt cause to many problems a bent hanger will do the trick. Get it nice and straight and bend the last two inches back into a good sized hook. Push it between the glass and the rubber seal and angle it back towards the bottom of the lock at about 45 degres with a little wiggling around it should open easily enough. If you want a key made up to match the existing system on the car remove the code box from under the dash. Open the boot with the button in the glove box so you can get easy acces to remove the boot lock. Then give both to an auto locksmith to make you up a new key.
Feeling unusually generous so if you want to do it that way then ill make you one up free of charge buy return post. Just send me the code box and boot lock (Can be door/boot ignition lock but the boot is easy to get to)
 
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Hi chap's - yes this is the ebay car.. Ive had lots of contact wth the owner and it's all bove board. Poor little car has been off the road almost 2 years
I wangt to bring some life back to it. I only live 50 miles from it soit's not to far to trek and play with it.

As for getting into the car - thanks for the advice about the door - will come in handy, my main problem is the steering lock. Could just punch the barrel? Any advice on how to remove the steerng lock would be greatfully received.

** I was told by alfa that i would need new ecu, code box, locks and keys as this was the "phase 1 locking system"

If you wish to pm about how to tackle the lock then please do. We don't want everyone to know how it's done.
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All, thanks for your input. The code/injector does not light up at all pre or post cranking it over. As for the key losing the code I will take it to an alfa dealer to help.

Where can I find wiring diagrams and where/what each relay should do.
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You can use the same lock's and keys and code box from a ph1 145 or 146, and get you ECU virginised by gus AKA Alfatuner on the site...Give GUS a ring he will be able to advise you further even throw a remap on it for you...
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Getting into it shouldnt cause to many problems a bent hanger will do the trick. Get it nice and straight and bend the last two inches back into a good sized hook. Push it between the glass and the rubber seal and angle it back towards the bottom of the lock at about 45 degres with a little wiggling around it should open easily enough. If you want a key made up to match the existing system on the car remove the code box from under the dash. Open the boot with the button in the glove box so you can get easy acces to remove the boot lock. Then give both to an auto locksmith to make you up a new key.
Feeling unusually generous so if you want to do it that way then ill make you one up free of charge buy return post. Just send me the code box and boot lock (Can be door/boot ignition lock but the boot is easy to get to)

I didn't know that you could read the code from the yellow code box but I'm still learning.

I expect the battery will be flat, having stood for 2 years, so the boot release won't work without connecting some power to the system-battery's in the boot!

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I hope this helps.

I laid up a SAAB 93 for the winter. locked all door left the windows slightly open etc then disconnected the battery and dropped the bonnet.

The keys only open the car doors when the power is connected!!! The boot did open with the key.

Could not get through from boot to car as seats locked closed.

Then before smashing a window I applied 12v to the boot interior light which back feed into the car. Approx 3 seconds later I tried the doors and they opened.

Disconnected the battery and opened the bonnet to replace the main battery. Please ensure that you correctly id the polarity.
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Help Uri geller's been rummaging in my work coat pockets

Finished work saturday 7pm,car is never locked at work,single site road access off of a dual carrigeway,jumped in and put my coat on the passenger seat,grabbed key from the pocket and it flopped in half onto my lap "OH BUGGER" i thought knowing that its the only key i've got, so good old dad to the rescue, picked me up.
Tuesday i went to MOTORVOGUE in northampton where the nice little man said its gonna cost you at least 1000 to get it sorted,he printed out a quote for me wich came to 2935.10 (2 ECU's/set of 3 keys/complete set of locks/programming/ fitting&VAT).which intstantly turned him into an " 'orrible little toad".he tried to redeem himself by offering a service key to be cut.car was already open("chocolate fireguard" sprang to mind).
after that he told me that there are companies out there that can CLONE THE RED KEY but didn't know of any locally,i'm hoping that some of you guys can help me find one.
I would really hate to have to sell it for parts when there is nothing wrong with the car itself.
especially as i only paid 1500 for it 2.0 gtv ts.
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Try Timpsons, locations, must be a store near you. No more than 25-35 a key. As long as you all the key then I can't see a problem.

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