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And since when should Alfaholics be treated as the 'Holy Bible'? Total and utter drivel
Errr.... long established professionals with many tried and tested upgrades. What are your credentials?
 
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Errr.... long established professionals with many tried and tested upgrades. What are your credentials?
I know Alfaholics very well, I simply do not agree with their view with regard to the standard OE suspension set-up on the 916 cars. And if you conduct a search on here in the Tuning forum, you will find many other members who are similarly dissatisfied with the OE set-up, and have found huge improvements with the good upgrades available.

And as far as credentials are concerned, I think you need to be more concerned with your credentials rewe6a, as clearly from your comments so far you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
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cheers mate, next job for me, might as well do springs at same time.
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I know Alfaholics very well, I simply do not agree with their view with regard to the standard OE suspension set-up on the 916 cars. And if you conduct a search on here in the Tuning forum, you will find many other members who are similarly dissatisfied with the OE set-up, and have found huge improvements with the good upgrades available.

And as far as credentials are concerned, I think you need to be more concerned with your credentials rewe6a, as clearly from your comments so far you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
So, no credentials at all then. As I have said previously, your technical opinions are always welcome. You just need to leave your , and your shirty manner outside. The OP did not deserve it and will now no doubt think twice before posting in here again.
 
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Have just read this thread, and i must agree with you. There is so much snobbery over a ten year old car worth only a couple of grand.....and someone rolling their eyes because of not fitting top spec equipment....oh dear
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Im sorry but right now i cant afford suspension upgrades... im 21 and im still struggling to pay for the insurance. I love the idea of fitting upgrades but right now i just cant fund it so surely standard shocks are better then leaking ones??
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They certainly are Chris. If you can't afford it don't do it! What with the credit crunch and everything.

Did you end up fitting them yourself? or if you havn't had them done yet are you going to DIY it?
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Just fitted them... but the bolts were a bugger to get off!! oh well all done now and what a differance in handling. Cheers guys. I know it would be nice to uprate things here and there but we all dont have spare cash and id rather be driving her on standards then leaving her in the garage untill i can afford better....
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This is funny.

Of course blistein et al like you to think that you're fitting a better product by replacing components with their suspension. And "gear heads" eat that jargon. What I haven't heard is any discussion of the real differences between the types of shocks.

Typically a more expensive shock absorber is made to deal with higher duty such as may be experienced when racing. And let be honest most of us do not race and the cars are not race cars.

This does not mean the dynamic response under normal conditions is better, in fact it is likely to be worse since the original component has been selected to provide the correct damping rate for most driving conditions.

This also applies to the replacement of bushes with powerflex parts. I have done this since the longevity of the original parts it not very good. But considering the outer bushes for the suspension arm and spring pan arm are now not ball joint types and hence do not have the freedom of movement the handling under normal driving conditions is compromised. It may feel tighter but this means the wheel is likely to be off the road more often!
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Firstly i am glad you got the Shocks done on your car, Secondly you will have your car back on the road with a fresh MOT now, we are all enthusiasts and some of us have deeper pockets than others, and i can sympathise with you, credit to you having a GTV when most people your age are driving around in Saxos or Novas with fat exhausts. I am sure the shocks that you have purchased will do the job for you, Why put the most expensive stuff on a car especially if you don't do trackdays or the like. Some people may spend a small fortune on their car with the top notch parts and they may feel superior about it but it does not get them around the M25 any different does it. The way product is marketed nowadays sometimes it is a fool that spends the most money thinking he is getting a superior product. We are all enthusiasts and as long as you enjoy driving you car who cares what shocks you buy.
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Thanks TOPKIT took the words right out my mouth.
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Sounds like what we need is a scientific test ... anyone planning to replace their shocks anytime soon who could do this?

You'd need a test road where you can drive at the same speed before and after the test (so ideally avoiding traffic holdups).

And you'd need some kind of ride quality test rig. Ideally this would be some fancy gyroscopic interia meter, but I'm guessing that no-one here has one handy! Instead, maybe something like a full plastic cup of water in a bowl in the passenger footwell, measuring how much water gets spilled on each pass.

You'd then do three runs on the test road before the shock change (filling the plastic cup each time), and measure the total amount of water spilled.

You'd then repeat it after the shock change.

Anyone up for it? Anyone got a better test plan?
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im up for it but as someone stated are my cheap standard shocks up to the test\??? hahahaha
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Interesting debate...

I have always thought the general consensus is that the OE shocks are the main cause of the crashy harsh ride on the GTV, especially the fronts. I have also heard from several source including a local performance car tuning garage that people tend to like Bilsteins on standard springs because the ride quality improves whilst keeping a good level of comfort. For people who want a sportier ride then it tends to be konis or a set of coilovers.

The OE part manufacturer magnetti marelli are supposed to be a pretty reputable company in italy but certainly their parts are not constructed with as expensive components as suspensions specialists like Bilstein.

edit: I found a good link on magnetti marellis site which gives an example of the type of standard shock on the GTV/Spider which as far as my knowledge goes is a single tube type on the rears, not sure which is used on the front http://www.magnetimarelli.com/englis...i_monotubo.php

Bilstein also use gas pressure struts. http://www.bilstein.com/tech.php

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Hi

I am doing my bushes this weekend and then next swapping for Bilsteins. I have a very sensitive (but not scientific) rear end so will report back on the difference anon.

I think the difference between standard and uprated premium shocks will be most felt when hacking about and driving hard. I go with a load of car nutters to North Wales once a year and believe me the cars with uprated components handle it much better.

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