Oh dear, have you just woken up from your previous post? Your personality seems to have taken a turn for the worse in just 14 hours joeydawson
Right! ill explain!! in my little experience with alfa's they seem like an old new car,in the sence that you need to look after them all the time and treat them lovingly! a wad of receipts,yes will give you peace of mind but it doesnt mean that the things done will not go wrong again soon!! Iv had problems with my clutch,iv read a few threads on here about clutches going after doing 2thousand miles after its been replaced.Whether or not its the same part or bad workmanship(which i said)i dont know but it will still need a new clutch!! How about Thermostats?quite a few iv read need replacing alot,electrics...etc....
All i was saying was that the Service History does not guarantee that the bits accounted for will not go wrong soon!! I didnt say that No service history is a tell tale sign a car hasnt been looked after and your right,i would prefer to have service history,but since neither Scotchw or myself have any then the best we can do is to use our instincts!! And sometimes that is better than Service History!
Agree with most of that!
But lo and behold, 14 hours later the dark clouds gathereth:
To give advice such as this on any car, let alone an Alfa Romeo, is quite ridiculous"..... isnt that You being cynical???
No not really. I think it's common sense, whether buying any car in general or Alfa Romeos in particular, to have some if not all verified service history. This is normal common sense for obvious reasons such as cambelt changes (which you mention in your first post) and regular oil changes (which is again sensible). Alfa Romeos are a little different from the normal diet of Fords and Vauxhalls, they do have personality and dare I say it charisma but the trade-off is machinery that does require a little more attention than the norm. The TS engine for instance is prone to using a little oil (sometime a lot of oil for no apparent reason), so a careful owner should check the oil level frequently to make sure all is ok. To run low on oil with these engines is tempting disaster for the TS/JTS engine, the damage may not be immediately apparent but may appear further down the line. I'm not saying that full service history may necessarily prevent this! Neither may lack of service history (for whatever reason) imply lack of attention either! What I am saying is that, everything being equal, it is a good sign to have full service history, and it is also preferable to purchase privately from the current owner, since you can judge reasonably well from conversation and character as to how the car may have been treated. Again, I agree with your point with regard to 'gut instincts', but with these cars you may be taking a little more risk with regard to factors as listed above. This is the point I was trying to make.
I definatly wasnt being cynical by saying that if the car feels and runs right then service history isnt the be all and end all!!!
Again I partly agree with you here. You can use your judgement with any car on a test run and giving it a good checkover, again any risk you may take in purchase can be measured against the price being asked. What I am saying though is that the normal 'risk averse' assessment is somewhat skewed to a higher risk rating for cars such as the Alfa Romeo TS engine, for the reasons given above.
and to be honest remarks like yours above such as "my rediculous advice" will only put off prospective owners...
Well no I rather think your advice will tend to put more people off actually. There is a balance between 'common sense' and 'gut instinct', and your inferred preference for the latter is not always the best advice for these cars, I'm afraid.
If i had listened to you i could of been put off my GTV and bought one with full service history that could of gone wrong straight away!
That's true, but that's the chance you take, given your own judgement, the principles of monetary risk-averseness mentioned above, and the trade-off between 'common sense' and 'gut instinct'.
think in general some people see a big wad of receipts and think "wow its been looked after" and not really inspect the car,but i know in my case i inspected every bit of my car because it didnt have any history! And i came out trumps!
Good for you. You're one of the lucky ones. But your judgement may not work in all cases, particuarly with those with little or no experience in purchasing cars in general, and Alfa Romeos in particular. This is why I suggest your advice is ridiculous in the context that you have suggested it.
Dont alfa owners usually say buy on condition not price?!
Yes, obviously condition is certainly one of the factors, but so is the price as well. But if you wish to stick to this principle, then why mention the price you paid for your GTV in the first place?
Maybe you didnt but there is no need to criticise someones opinions and write comments like the above....
From what you have said, I think there is every reason to criticise your opinion, for the reasons given above.