Unfortunately in a bid to retain domestic harmony I may need to part with my Brunello Red 2004 2.0 JTS GTV. When returning home from last years tragic Shoreham Air Show I managed to cook the engine big time. Monza Sport in Ashington who have looked after the car since nearly new were not able to locate a JTS for love or even vast sums of money so after much searching I bought a 2007 GT Black Line. But when it came to scrapping the GTV I just could not do it and then out of the blue Monza took in another 2004 GTV JTS so I had then remove the engine from that car, fully overhaul it and put it in my car for a four figure sum, the first number of which was a 2. The car now sits on my drive way being washed a polished but not driven. My wife has a Giulietta and I really like the GT for which I probably paid too much for so maybe the GTV should go to a new home. Mechanically great but the lacquer on the roof is bad and there is a bald patch on the side of the bonnet where some paint flaked off and it has the usual paint chips etc as it was used everyday until it broke. It is a two owner car full full history and about 109k which is about what the replacement engine had also covered. Does this sound of any interest to anybody ? The car is in Brighton.
welcome to the forum..................... its not for me but i guess anyone interested will want to see a few pics and it always helps with painting that picture
sadly neither the JTS or facelift are hugely desirable for anyone looking for a GTV..TS is a better engine and most prefer the look of the PH1 and PH2.
With this in mind maybe autotrader or gumtree may be a better place to sell as it may catch the eye of a "non alfisti" who falls for its looks and relative rarity. They are a quirky car and a great drive.
Best of luck with it ,you are clearly an Alfa household with the GT and Giulietta as well!!
I can relate to the domestic harmony side of things as I have a GT and GTV as well as a Fiat coupe..Mrs has been piling on the pressure for me to sell one!
sadly neither the JTS or facelift are hugely desirable for anyone looking for a GTV..TS is a better engine and most prefer the look of the PH1 and PH2.
Nothing wrong with the JTS and a lot less problematic than the twinny ( and I drive a twinny) Ph3 looks great as does the Ph 1/2.
I don't understand why people dislike the p3. In my opinion it's the one facelift Alfa have done which works. The 147 and 156 facelift diluted the character of the originals. The Gtv face lift is much more aggressive. I've owned a 2l ts and driven a 1.6 ts. I much preferred the 1.6. Although neither had any special or unique feeling. The jts pulls like a train. Admittedly it has a short sweet rev range but it pulls.
I like cheese too but the fact remains that the JTS engine has many many shortcomings that have given it an awful reputation with the Alfisti. I'd personally take a punt on a cheap one, but I like to tinker with engines.
Injector failures, heavy oil usage, valves coked up, electrical issues.... loads of problems. I think the later 2004 engines were improved somewhat, certainly they have different piston rings to combat the oil usage.
It's a pity Alfa didn't get this one right to start with. It has far more torque at the lower end than the Twinnie although quite similar once on the go.
Interesting, my jts does not use oil at all. My ts and 3.2 used 500ml a month. I can only go on my personal experience. I've had no engine troubles at all. I think the jts has far more character than the ts l owned. It's not as good as the boxer, far more powerful, but not as cheeky. It "feels"quicker than my GTA at the bottom end. To much wheel spin and torque steer in the GTA. My jts is an 04 as the OP.
I do like the facelift model and I nearly bought one, it was very quick, much faster acceleration than my TS 2.0, we couldn't agree a price as it did have a lot of laquer peel, so I bought my TS 2.0 Spider instead which I love to pieces.
Yep, saying the JTS was less problematic than the Twinny was misguided on my part. Apologies.:nervous: I think the post mid- 2004 JTS's were a lot better and seeing some high mileage examples in the classifieds now. Twinnies are a great engine but need a very attentive owner. I've got mine at 140k now with full rebuild at 110k. Still drinks oil like it's going out of fashion :weeping:
would agree the twinnie needs an owner who knows where the oil cap and dipstick are!! one of the reasons Alfa has such a bad rep is because people that are used to driving Golfs and Civics buy one seduced by the looks and handling and lack the mechanical sensitivity or knowledge needed to own one and run it succesfully to high miles...the design ethos is completely different, looks and driver experience are put ahead of service intervals and ease of maintenance by most Italian Marques as they are not chasing commuters and fleet buyers. The average Honda owner will just not understand the thinking behind it .
you are spot on with the opinion that later ones were better, but the whole concept was flawed, the JTS is basically a modified twinnie and has so many issues that perhaps would not be there if Alfa had gone back to the drawing board and started again rather than try and find a middle ground that allowed them to use parts they had already manufactured...budget once again dictating direction...mine was an 05 and still rubbish.
Imagine If Alfa had done what Audi did with the TT or Mercedes did with the compressor and went with a turbo or supercharged 4cyl 2l petrol..? wow, what a different car both the GT and the PH3 GTV would have been with 200+ forced induction ponies under the bonnet...we would now have both the V6 busso and 2.0 turbo as modern classics in both models.
the V6 turbo GTV is awesome so Alfa could have done it, the GT needed a better lump than either the JTS or 1.8 TS for the smaller displacement petrols, the sole reason why the diesel is so popular in the GT is because all the petrol options are in some way compromised, the 3.2 in fuel economy, the 1.8 in power and the JTS in character and reliability, no Alfa driver really wants a diesel but its sadly the best choice in both the GT and even the Brera.
two of the most beautiful Alfa's in recent history ruined by poor engine choices.. at least the GTV got a ''proper engine' in the smaller dispacement version in the 2.0 TS. the GT got a smoker, a drinker and a pile of Sh*te and the Brera two GM/holden monstrosity's and a smoker (all be it a quite acceptable 5cyl)...:hehe: in fact one of the main reasons I own two cars is because the GT has such crap engine choices and I couldn't live with a derv as my only car.
Thank god they seem to have finally learned the lesson and are offering the Giulia in a 4cyl turbo with 280 BHP.. there is some hope!!!:cloud9:
The problem I have is that these things start to become "folklore". People commenting on issues that they have just read here. Someone said the jts is the worst engine ever made?? Try driving a 2014 1.6 focus. The jts knocks spots of it. And it's 12 years old. I can only comment on my personal experience of actually owning a jts. I have had no reliability issues thus far, I'm sure I will, it's a twelve year old car. I have owned both the 1.6 and 2.0 ts and the jts is a lot quicker on acceleration. So from my actual experience of owning a jts it is better.
Well if you are going to misquote me I might aswell. I clearly stated that "The JTS is probably the worst engine ALFA ever produced" From your extensive Alfa ownership I can see that your opinion is just what people say about opinions.
I think you should buy another ford as it sounds like its the ideal car for you.
To be fair, Fiat/Alfa engineering is not known for its bulletproof -ness. They all seem to be a bit high maintenance. Not sure if it's the design or quality of components but they aren't Hondas. My other half has a Jazz. 6 years old, 175,000 miles and nothing has ever gone wrong. Still on original clutch and no cambelt to change every 5 minutes. It is dull though.
Errr, read your post. "Maybe one of the worst engines ever made". What do people say about opinions? I don't follow. And why does a Ford sound like the perfect car for me? And why are you so defensive? It's a forum. A place where like minded people discuss sensibly there love of Alfas. Is it because I disagree with your unfounded comments?
Why! Why do you want to get rid of something you "Love"? You have a GT - great car. Your wife has a Giullietta and you are fretting about the poxy amount you will get for your GTV? All for the sake of money you will probably Pee against the wall in the space of 6 months. And why do you think the GTV is a source fore marital dis-harmony?
Perhaps your wife might want to keep the GTV ??????? Or maybe you should tell her to get shot of the "G" - pretty crap in any case. Stick the GTV in a garage and come back to it, when your logic is somewhat less askew.
Only joking - but keep the car, it will be worth it in the long run.:cheeky:
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