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Need replacement pipes to the cooling radiators

Hi guys,

I recently bought the radiator for my GTV from autolusso.

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However, my mechanic told me the pipes that were supplied is not upto the job and has burst twice causing oil to start leaking. He told me that the pipes cannot handle the pressure of the oil going through it and he has actually fitted the pipes twice. There is enough length left to try it back on one more time but he told me to get a replacement pipe as if the pipe bursts while driving, the engine will be heavily damaged I am told.

I was just wondering if you guys know of/ recommend anyone that sell these replacement pipes ?

I have attached some photos for info. Obviously the outer sleave is just torn but when I pinch my finger around the pipe, I can feel a hole in it.

He recommended me this place to have my pipes done - but I don't think it would be cheap:

Pirtek Service Centres > Glasgow
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I would talk with Ned first, maybe the pipes were faulty.
I'm having mine done this week as the original is not looking good.
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Definitely contact Autolusso first.

Original spec ones are available again:http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...and-pipes.html (GTV Oil Cooler and pipes)

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First thing I'd do is hook up a temporary oil pressure gauge to check for excessive pressure.
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Hi guys,

I recently bought the radiator for my GTV from autolusso.

Autolusso - Oil Coolers

However, my mechanic told me the pipes that were supplied is not upto the job and has burst twice causing oil to start leaking. He told me that the pipes cannot handle the pressure of the oil going through it and he has actually fitted the pipes twice. There is enough length left to try it back on one more time but he told me to get a replacement pipe as if the pipe bursts while driving, the engine will be heavily damaged I am told.

I was just wondering if you guys know of/ recommend anyone that sell these replacement pipes ?

I have attached some photos for info. Obviously the outer sleave is just torn but when I pinch my finger around the pipe, I can feel a hole in it.

He recommended me this place to have my pipes done - but I don't think it would be cheap:

Pirtek Service Centres > Glasgow
Over the years we have sold and fitted hundreds of these kits and I have never seen an oil cooler pipe split like that, these pipes are rated to 400 PSI. There is either something wrong with the fitting or the engine

You are welcome to send us the pipes for inspection and we will obviously replace them if a fault if found

This needs further investigation though

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First thing I'd do is hook up a temporary oil pressure gauge to check for excessive pressure.
Do you think my mechanic in the tyre garage would know how to do that? I assume it is easy enough to do?
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Do you think my mechanic in the tyre garage would know how to do that? I assume it is easy enough to do?
I would suggest send us the pipes with the fittings and we will talk a look

Your garage should be able to do an oil pressure test but they will need the pipes on the car and an oil pressure gage, ask them if they have one

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Do you think my mechanic in the tyre garage would know how to do that? I assume it is easy enough to do?
Is he a mechanic or a tyre fitter?
The answer may (only may) give you a clue as to what the problem is.
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Is he a mechanic or a tyre fitter?
The answer may (only may) give you a clue as to what the problem is.
The garage is my local tyre garage but there are a couple of mechanics who works on the cars that have failed MOT etc.
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My V6 came fitted with a kit made up of Pirtek components, It was absolutely useless, the hose unions were not up to spec at all, burst on me a couple of times, I got very lucky!

Kit replaced with the Autolusso Mocal oil cooler kit and no problems in the last 12months.

The flexi lines hang a little low as a result of the mechanic fitting the Mocal/Autolusso kit in the same way as the Pirtek kit removed.

He is a very competent mechanic, not a kwik-fit parts fitter and he did say it was a pretty rough job getting the unions on between rear bank and bulk head.
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Are there any symptoms when/ if the car bursts its oil pipes ? I mean are there any limp modes etc. or is it a sudden gush of oil down the road ?
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Are there any symptoms when/ if the car bursts its oil pipes ? I mean are there any limp modes etc. or is it a sudden gush of oil down the road ?
Gush of oil down the road
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Low oil pressure
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No oil pressure (warning light on dash)
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Engine very sick/seized...

Hopefully no flames.....
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Gush of oil down the road
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Low oil pressure
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No oil pressure (warning light on dash)
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Engine very sick/seized...

Hopefully no flames.....
Will that happen within a few minutes or a few seconds or a few days etc.?

I guess I might want to go for an uprated pipe then.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...and-pipes.html (GTV Oil Cooler and pipes)

Will these metal pipes be a suitable replacement to the stock ones from the Autolusso cooler ?
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Will that happen within a few minutes or a few seconds or a few days etc.?

I guess I might want to go for an uprated pipe then.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...and-pipes.html (GTV Oil Cooler and pipes)

Will these metal pipes be a suitable replacement to the stock ones from the Autolusso cooler ?
No they won't and it is virtually and engine out job to fit as the pipes go right round the back of the engine above the oil filter

Send me you pipes please

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Will that happen within a few minutes or a few seconds or a few days etc.?
Depends how big the hole/split is.
If it suddenly lets go flatout on the Motorway, it could be seconds...
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Are there any symptoms when/ if the car bursts its oil pipes ? I mean are there any limp modes etc. or is it a sudden gush of oil down the road ?
I got very lucky the first time, I heard the metallic 'ting' sound of the clamps blowing off the Pirtek kit, glanced in my rear view to, looking to see what had fallen off. All i saw was a very black very concentrated line of what I thought in that split second was coolant, so shut the engine off, I was fortunately just passing my house and was able with the momentum of the car at 50+ able to roll most of the way up the 1/2mile driveway before coming to a halt.

The bluey black smoke coming out of the engine bay, wheel arches and from under the sills gave it away that it was oil.

As the remaining oil cooler hard lines are facing downwards on mine the oil had jetted out at high pressure, onto the surface of the road and some had rebounded back off the road and onto the underside and exhaust of the car.

Second time I was driving to the garage to get the Autolusso Mocal kit fitted, hyper aware, eyes on the rear view mirror constantly, it went again, same black line, same engine off instantly with lots of smoke from oil on exhaust. had to be towed the rest of the way.

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You need to send the pipes to Autolusso as Ned has said twice
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You need to send the pipes to Autolusso as Ned has said twice
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lol, I will phone up 2morow and let the guy know to keep the burst one. Thanks guys
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It's always best to contact the supplier or the garage concerned if you have a problem in the first instance. I never understand why some folks seem reluctant to talk to them when a problem occurs. I'm sure it will be sorted out.
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