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Selling my GTV help? Pleeeeease :-P

Hello wonderful Alfa owners!

Sadly, I need your help.

You see, after five glorious years, I am parting ways with my GTV, however, she is far from perfect, a bit rough round the edges you might say, and so, I have zero idea how to value her for sale :-(. I was hoping I could tell you folks about her and perhaps you could point me in the direction of what I should ask for her? Or perhaps someone may even fancy taking her hand? Any and all help is massively appreciated!

So, first off, the basics, she's a 2001 Blue 2.0 TwinSpark Lusso.

Now the good stuff: Her engine is perfect, 80000 miles and no problems at all, I thought she was approaching timing belt change age but I just had it checked and all is well!
She has 10 months on her MOT and four good tyres.

Ok, here we go, the bad stuff, ready?...: Biggest issue first, she is a Cat D, not that I ever noticed, in the five years nothing ever came up to do with it, but I know Cat D on the paperwork is a big turn-off for most people. And now the joint first big issue: I have no paperwork for her, she came with nothing and I (shamefully) never kept any of her new bills etc, although, in my defence, I never had anything done to her, just new tyres, services, mots etc, no real work done. I only have two keys for her, and I don't have the brown "master" key.
Next up: she has a lot of cosmetic problems, a couple of very small dents, a couple of again small scratches, some stone chips on the nose, and her paint is looking a bit flat, could definitely do with a T-Cut! Worst of all though (cosmetically) both her mirrors had been kicked off (by a donkey in a hoodie no doubt), one I glued back on and looks ok, the other I currently just have taped back on (looks pretty ugly), but the mirror motors still work fine! So over all she's a bit rough to look at.
Moving on! Other faults, common one this but her rear de-mist doesn't work, and the sun-roof doesn't work (mechanical fault, not electrical) but it does not leak! Just can't be opened. She also has an intermittent fault with the central locking, most of the time it works but sometimes you need to lock both doors manually. Lastly, weird one this but her indicator stalk does not self-cancel.

So, thats about it, what do you think? Any numbers? Or does anyone want her even? :-D
I think I will struggle badly on the normal market, but, I have always thought she might appeal to being used as a track-day toy etc, something where the aesthetics aren't important?

Anyway, thanks loads for reading, and if you can sprinkle some glorious Alfa-Owner help that would be wonderful!!!

Oh, and here she is:
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It has lowish miles and brown key not an issue because the red ones can be cloned nowadays. you also have teledials although they look like they need a refurb. Against that
it desperately needs a cambelt change and two mirrors at least so about £500-600 to make it roadworthy. Then you have poor paintwork, the Cat D and lack of history. I'd advertise it for £950 and hope for a decent offer
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ok...

I have just restored one of these so feel able to comment.

first minuses..


The cat D is an issue re the value, knock 25% off the potential asking price ..no interior pics, condition are the seats unblemished ? how is the roof lining and plastics?...

mirrors , well you can get replacements from a breakers yard for around £50 a side but they will need doing, non working mirrors is an MOT fail, knock another 10% off.

Major issue is no master key...expensive and can render the car undrivable without it if the immobiliser /alarm starts playing up...I am not even sure I would buy it without that.

sunroof, well it could be fixed with either a new motor or it could just be seized due to lack of use, either way give a dealer a blank cheque, it could take hours to find the fault or minutes...the one I fixed recently owes me around 4 hours ...and it was mechanical as well, it just required some disassembly and lots of WD40 to get it to work.

central locking fault is likely the bowden cable inside the door(s) needs looking at. at least an hour a side to fix.

Then there are all the other little jobs that will come up when you start, and they will be multiple because I suspect this car has not been loved, its had the bare minimum required to keep it legal and Alfa's need a bit more than that...it could need aux belts, balance belts a variator, does the aircon work ? any warning lights ?no eveidence of any suspension work which after 15 years I can ssure you it will need...also cat D and flat paintwork sounds like a poor repair job to me...water pump and thermostat will need looking at as well and a camblet kit is just sensible on a car that age with no history...as you can see the costs are mounting up!

plusses..

its a nice colour,It has teledials and a rear spoiler...engine is low mileage...its Lusso so leather and aircon.

personally having just restored one of these and finding job after little job that needed doing unless I was buying from a known Alfa specialist or a fellow forum member or ethusiast I personally would not pay more than about £300 for it, simply becasue they have a way of costing much more than you think they will..

bottom line its worth more in bits...it's really sad as they just are not commanding good money right now, many will end up being scrapped over the next year or two or until the values rise.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news

that said its only an opinion and maybe someone else will have a more positive slant on it...

as an example

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...&postcode=gu24

and this one

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...&postcode=gu24

and this one in a really desirable colour..

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...&postcode=gu24







here is my thinking..


good ones with the 2.0 TS engine are going for around £1500-2000 really good ones maybe, maybe 4k but it would have to be very low mileage and A1 condition in and out, and even then I don't think a TS will sell for that money as its V6 territory, those prices would be with good recent history, all the belts ,a full recent service,lowish mileage and 12 months MOT with everything working.

The things that you describe as as being wrong will cost more than £1000+ to sort out at a garage, and if an enthusiast buys as a project I can't imagine it will cost less than a few hundred in parts and probably a good few man hours.

the mirrors alone are £100 to fix even if you can find ones in the right colour and the bases are normally corroded and will need spraying.

so buy yours at £950 as suggested above and potentially spend hours and hours, or a good £1000 getting it up to scratch? or just go buy one from a dealer with 12 months ticket and everything working for around £1500.

I know what most would do..

GT blackline,Bilstien B12's and Eibach Anti roll bar kit,Quaife Diff,Autolusso performance pads, de-cat downpipe,hybrid turbo,stage one clutch,autolusso re-map, swirl flap and egr delete, leon cupra front splitter,novitec light covers,simone racing gear knob.

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Excellent, great start, thank you both!
Didn't mention the interior because it's ace, no problems, even the drivers seat wear is good :-)
Thing is though, there are parts of her that cannot be spruced up, the cat D and no paperwork for example, so I wouldn't recommend her for complete restoration, that's why I was thinking a little outside the box, track day toy etc.

Good stuff so far though guys! :-D
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track day is a possible...

but honestly, if you have the space and the tools break it..and I hate to say that ,I won two Alfa's one GT Blackline and my Green GTV lusso ..love them both equally but ownership means being ruthlessly practical about the cost of upkeep and maintenance...My GT which is a fantastic modified 07 plate in very good condition, has cost me 2k in the last 6 months, clutch and flywheel were elective, but it needed new tyres and the master cylinder went south this week, costing me £ 180 today to get sorted..


the GTV has cost the same to run if you think about it on a % of overall value basis..Mine was similar to yours example in condition but not a categorised car, and it has history and all the keys.

bought for fun but so far I have done

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...-question.html (update on my GTV TS and sunroof question..)

and since then I have done wishbones ,rear brake hoses,had to replace the brake lines due to the unions rusting at the compensator valve,this is a big job the lines have to be made and flared properly, the system then has to re-filled and bled.

sorted the airbag issue and chased the electrics through to sort a power drain..whic was radio related,new battery , some bodywork bits, new bonnet and boot badges, interior refurb and clean up, new winscreen wipers, fog lamp repair, Idle control valve clean ,throttle body clean, maf clean up as well..!!!

calipers removed -repainted and decals added..
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And some pics...I think a realistic price for mine woukd be around £1750 and thats with all the the majors done and 12 months MOT...
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Seeing as examples without the catD and wing mirror probs can be found for £1-1.5K, i'd personally put yours at 600 to 900 depending on how quick you want to sell -and almost half of that is for the wheels . You might get lucky and find a buyer who doesn't realise how much it will cost to get these beautiful cars back to their best
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I would not break it - this based on an affinity to the GTV 916. Unfortunately, I'd say there is good chance out of your hands it will be broken sooner or later. Being a nosy sod, did the advisory items from the last MOT get sorted? If I had time and less cars, I would consider it.

Have you considered a car project - they're great fun to work on and most things in my opinion are doable if you have space, time and persistence. You will have 916 GTV satisfaction levels come the end of the process as well. With some help here and there, I did a V6 GTV through last year and early this year, and everything you can think of needed doing. Still some bits to do as always but a great experience was had doing it.
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As I expected, great help so far guys! Thank you!
I reckon breaking would be a good option, but I do not have the space, anyone think it might be worth offering her to a specialist breaker? Or will they just pay me 50p for her?
I get the feeling she's at her "end of life", not a good one for restoration, the next owner will be the last, thats why I'm keen to find someone who's going to do something different with her, make good use of the engine and Lusso parts etc.
I'm not in a hurry to sell, so I have time to find the right "forth" owner :-)

Thanks again!
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The wheels are worth £200 on their own. A breaker would give you £100 for the car if your lucky. Your location probably doesn't help a sale but I would stick it on eBay. I reckon you would get £500. - £600.
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Where abouts are you? I ight be interested in taking her off your hands.
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Where abouts are you? I ight be interested in taking her off your hands.
I'll be honest though, I'd be taking all the good bits of it and sticking them on mine
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I'm in Perth Scotland.
Honestly I'd be ok with that, her best bits will live on and make a better GTV even better!
If you're serious let me know? :+1:

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Ooof, Perth is a bit too far for me! Sorry.
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