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What price is a good 3 or 3.2 litre spider going for these days, I,m thinking sub 50k and very good condition. I did a little search on PH and autotrader and only saw one for sale at around 5k with 100k the clock.

Been thinking about a spider of late and just want to know what's the rate for a good car private sale & dealer ?
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I've got six for sale, starting from £5995.

Please call me if interested: Alfa Gtvs Spiders - C G Trading, Brighton, West Sussex

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Mine was witten off last year, 2002 75k miles. Had to get an independent assessor in. Valued at £6500. Hope this helps.
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if you want a good one with it all done ,guaranteed with no aggro in the forthcoming year then you need one of Clive's ...

always 2 ways to buy a car, find one of the cheapest you can and then spend the rest in the garage, this way you could be very lucky or very unlucky...it's a roll of the dice which can be minimized a bit with some knowledge, but it can and sometimes does backfire.


or go and find the best one you can and throw the money down at the front end of the process, and even then its still a nearly 20 year old italian sports car, with the best will in the world trouble free motoring cannot be guaranteed.

either way I think the cost of a good standard GTV V6 will be somwhere between 4k-6k dependant on milage and condition, 5 speed vs 6 speed boxes, teledials or not desirable colour etc..and recent history (belts ,servicing etc etc)

there will be examples either side of that figure, really low mileage ones will represent a better investement and the cheap high milers will often have a few expensive underlying issues, tired paintwork or an undesirable colour.

if you are buying it just to drive it rather than baby it and sell it on in 5 years at a profit, then one with over 100k on the clock with decent history should be able to be had for 3k upwards.


I would still put £1000 aside for remedial work and expect to have to spend it.

personally I would budget closer to the 6k mark ,but I would want to see recent rear suspension bushes ,some front wishbones,a quaife or Q2 and recent belts,service and 12 months on the ticket.

they should be worth more but unless its a cup or very low miles they just are not commanding the money at present.
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if you want a good one with it all done ,guaranteed with no aggro in the forthcoming year then you need one of Clive's ...

always 2 ways to buy a car, find one of the cheapest you can and then spend the rest in the garage, this way you could be very lucky or very unlucky...it's a roll of the dice which can be minimized a bit with some knowledge, but it can and sometimes does backfire.


or go and find the best one you can and throw the money down at the front end of the process, and even then its still a nearly 20 year old italian sports car, with the best will in the world trouble free motoring cannot be guaranteed.

either way I think the cost of a good standard GTV V6 will be somwhere between 4k-6k dependant on milage and condition, 5 speed vs 6 speed boxes, teledials or not desirable colour etc..and recent history (belts ,servicing etc etc)

there will be examples either side of that figure, really low mileage ones will represent a better investement and the cheap high milers will often have a few expensive underlying issues, tired paintwork or an undesirable colour.

if you are buying it just to drive it rather than baby it and sell it on in 5 years at a profit, then one with over 100k on the clock with decent history should be able to be had for 3k upwards.


I would still put £1000 aside for remedial work and expect to have to spend it.

personally I would budget closer to the 6k mark ,but I would want to see recent rear suspension bushes ,some front wishbones,a quaife or Q2 and recent belts,service and 12 months on the ticket.

they should be worth more but unless its a cup or very low miles they just are not commanding the money at present.
He's looking for a spider!

However apart from prices, the points on your post are still valid!
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He's looking for a spider!

However apart from prices, the points on your post are still valid!

oop's.. sorry..

so as you said, it's all still relevant but the prices are off a bit..

as I have a GTV myself as well as the GT my brain goes into GTV mode...

all's I would say as a footnote is don't rule out the TS, having driven a number of V6's and TS's I honestly think they are equally enjoyable for completely different reasons...and in the Spider I personally would prefer a TS.

I would go as far as to say the TS is more the ''drivers car'' of the two and if your ego doesn't require that you drive a car that can go head to head with the usual suspects then the TS is a fantastic choice, you won't be the fastest on the road by any means but you will have a big smile on your face, especially negotiating those B roads with the top down on a bright quiet Sunday morning in June..

it's advantages are also its dissadvantages, its worth very little right now,cheap to buy, hard to sell

its getting long in the tooth, could be unreliable but the TS is easy to work on yourself and a replacment engine can be had for £200 if the worse happens...not so the V6

spider is not really a year round car so I would not personally sink the money required to buy a good V6 into a seasonal car. but that's just me..

If I had room at my house for two cars TS spider would absolutely be one of them... however a V6 would have to be in a GTV,156 GTA,147 GTA or GT 3.2, a far better choice IMO than a spider if you want a car that exploits the Busso to it's full potential.

especallialy the 156 GTA

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Well the change is being sort of driven by the other half as she's due to take her test soon and my car (a 159) is to big apparently !!! So while I'm not averse to changing the car I want to change it to something that I can still feel at home in.

That's a nice website with quite a few GTV's I'll definitely look in on it when I'm nearer to taking the plunge.

Thanks for the insurance payout details gives me an idea of what the private sale prices might be

Yeah agree with the good vs ropey argument, lower running costs and better resale later so will definitely be looking for a nice well kept example I just don't want to end up paying over the odds if I do take the plunge.

I'm not really looking at the TS as I do low miles so the extra fuel and running costs of the bigger engine are not going to be that huge.

My 159 is a v6 and it's a very nice unit, very smooth, makes a nice noise and has a nice spread of torque across the rev range, I really like the car and if I'm going to change would prefer another v6

The busso is also a bit of a legend so I would like to try one out at some point which is why the MX5 with its folding hardtop and all round usability is kinda taking a back to seat to a 3 litre spider although I might also consider a GTV

The GTA would be the same problem of the current car to big for the other half

I guess we'll have to see, she might end up failing the test in which case it'll all go the back burner

Thanks for all your help
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For what it's worth a V6 Spider fitted with a Q2/Quaife diff makes it just as "driveable" as a TS on the twisty roads. I have had both and know which I prefer!
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spider is not really a year round car so I would not personally sink the money required to buy a good V6 into a seasonal car. but that's just me..
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I've never understood why folk think a convertable is not an all year round car

I've almost continuously owned convertibles since the 80s - MG Midget, Triumph TR6, Escort Cabriolet (I know, a hairdressers car!) and 3 V6 Spiders, all used as a daily driver for up to 25k miles per year

Apart from the Escort, I've not had any water issues with the roofs and I can say the others were all weatherproof

I cannot remember a year when I didn't have the roof down between November & March, most years several times!!! Even on sunny days with in freezing temperatures (you must be very careful with the plastic window)

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PS I did 170k miles in the Escort in 9 years, I sold it in 1999 and according to the DVLA site was still on the road and taxed until April this year ! (Sorry a bit off topic!)
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its just a question of preference really I suppose Rich,

I have done my fair share of all year round convertible driving and it has several drawbacks, I got tired of trying to remember to warm the cabin up before putting the roof down on cold days lest the plastic rear window crack, which also always after a whie had poor visibilty, wind noise, rain noise,leaks (you have been lucky, they will happen sooner or later) soft top upkeep (waterproofing, re dying, and maintenance of the opening closing mechanism) poor boot space, only two seats, scuttle shake..


and all fo the privelage of having the roof down once in a while...

now I agree you can do this quite a lot , and I did enjoy taking advantage of that whenever possible, and I must admit several of my best ever drives were late night or early morning in the spring/autumn/summer with a suitable coat and driving gloves, it is truly a pleasure!!! and made a commute ,which is a chore , a real pleasure.

BUT

I prefer warmth, boot space, rear seats, room for the weekly shop, the abiltiy to take a few mates to the coast every now and again..comfort, and in my 240 brake GT ,stunnig performance ,looks and handling as well.

do I miss soft top motoring ? you bet! but enough to have one as my daily, absolutlely not.

but as a second car I suspect I would choose to drive it more than I expect....

as I said before,if i had room for two one would be a soft top and almost certainly a 916 spider TS
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When I first bought the Spider it replaced my daily Rover I had at the time. I bought it September time too. Used it for a couple of Months and realised a convertible is not the best choice for Winter in the North and bought a tractor GT.

All that said it's never leaked, in fact I had more leaks from a VW Passat and recently this 159 leaks. My ex had a 98 MX5 from new until about three years ago and used it everyday for work. She gave that car to my daughter whom had it another year.

I just prefer the option of rear seats and preferably with access via rear doors just in case
Which is why I agree with Rich. It's just the seating capacity. I keep the 916 ready over winter incase my daily breaks.

As for GTV vs Spider. The Spider just looks better IMO, which is unusual for me to think that way (generally prefer coupes to convertibles). However I'd take a Busso in any!

Priorities I find, are usually someone else's.
Statements above are all my own opinion and not fact.
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When I bought my spider I thought it would be cold in the winter, but's it's not at all. She's been driven for the past 6 years in all weather, including snow. Recently I bought a V6, I love the acceleration on that fantastic engine, but the spider is still my favourite.
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I was not really looking at GTV's as I like the idea of a convertible, my dream machine would be an AMG SL63 with the 6.2 but that's a bit out of my budget for now. I think if I do end up going for one of these I will also look at the GTV as while I do like the Spider as others have mentioned most convertibles unless they have a folding hardtop don't quite match a fixed roof car for bad weather/year round driving
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I've had a Spider for four years now. Original top (replaced the rear screen as it was opaque) and no leaks after 15 years. I cleaned, dyed and reproofed the top - a mornings work and no more effort than giving a good clean to a hardtop.

I've done 60k miles in those 4 years and used it as my daily driver all year round. TBH it is no harder to maintain plus you have the benefit of open top motoring when you want. When the weather is too hot/cold the aircon/heating is just as effective with the hood up as any hardtop. The passenger advantage of a GTV (I had one for 8 years) is negligible as the rear seats are unusable for adults if you are going any real distance.

Boot space? About the same as a GTV - the hood uses the space your uncomfortably rear cramped passengers occupy.

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