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I got a mint Edizione Sportiva with OZ alloys, top engine rebuild and chassis number 500 last ever built, it's the 2.0 Version. Fully resprayed/restored and leather reconditioned/restored. What sort of price I am looking to sell this for? I am thinking of getting rid of it at the end of Sept/early October due to other plans...
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Circa 3k but it could be a long wait

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Long wait for what? 3k, are you joking?
There have been 500 made. It's gotta be up to the CUP pricing, 9-10k...
There are virtually none left in Europe and the features that it comes with are unique.

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I'm afraid that particular ltd edition model carries no particular kudos in the UK. On top of that it's a 2.0 so the market value is proportionally lower than the V6. You don't say your mileage or the level of restoration or the reason for the top end rebuild. The very best Twinsparks are about 5k (and I do mean the best) and won't sell over night, in fact, I'm saying that based on the fact of one sale I am aware of for a completely restored car. It is what it is, I've spent over 7k on mine in the last month but it won't be worth that.

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Nobody joking now. In Europe there was couple LHD Edizione Sportiva's 2.0 for about 3-4 k euros (didnt sold), and now we have original LHD Edizione Sportiva 3.0 mint cond. in Poland for 5k euros.

Cup is Cup, other editions are much cheaper...
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Advertise it starting at 3k with a reserve on fleabay, the market will let you know the value. I wouldn't think it would make loads though.
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Did they do rhd ones ?
Electric seats are a plus,but respray,engine rebuild,and leather refurb doesn't shout v low mile exceptional car that it would need to be (for a twinny) to fetch big money
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Look at it from a prospective UK buyers point of view (especially one with 10k to spend)...

Good points:
Chassis number 500 - probably only bettered by having number 001

Bad points:
2 litre
LHD (?)
Engine rebuild (why?)
Body respray (why?)
Leather refurb (why?)
OZ alloys (non-original?)

For the money & collector you have in mind, it'd need to be a factory original, unrestored, exceptionally low mileage, V6 example.

For a 2 litre, resorted, possibly left hand drive car, 3k is probably the absolute best you can hope for.
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Chassis no' 500....?? Even Cups weren't numbered in any order & certainly not by chassis. Sportivas don't have a number, no plaque & an unknown number were produced.

Edizione Sportiva 2001 (GTV) Yaroslav Bozhdynsky's Personal Website

It might be a nice car but it's market is mainland Europe not the UK.

The only plus point, in my opinion, are the seats which I think are the best Alfa ever put in a GTV.

Pictures + more details are needed to value properly but if you're planning a respray then I doubt you'll recoup your money.

Personally I'd want the V6 & I'd probably fit the full Cup kit to it & possibly put it back on Teledials in the proper cup silver.

Sorry to disappoint but if you like it then keep it, as you said in your email to me.

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I'm afraid that particular ltd edition model carries no particular kudos in the UK. On top of that it's a 2.0 so the market value is proportionally lower than the V6. You don't say your mileage or the level of restoration or the reason for the top end rebuild. The very best Twinsparks are about 5k (and I do mean the best) and won't sell over night, in fact, I'm saying that based on the fact of one sale I am aware of for a completely restored car. It is what it is, I've spent over 7k on mine in the last month but it won't be worth that.

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Nobody joking now. In Europe there was couple LHD Edizione Sportiva's 2.0 for about 3-4 k euros (didnt sold), and now we have original LHD Edizione Sportiva 3.0 mint cond. in Poland for 5k euros.

Cup is Cup, other editions are much cheaper...
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Advertise it starting at 3k with a reserve on fleabay, the market will let you know the value. I wouldn't think it would make loads though.
It will, there are none left for sale anywhere, except a V6 in Germany for 15k euros.

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Did they do rhd ones ?
Electric seats are a plus,but respray,engine rebuild,and leather refurb doesn't shout v low mile exceptional car that it would need to be (for a twinny) to fetch big money
In your opinion, I respray all scratches and refurb my leather every 2 years in all my cars.

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Look at it from a prospective UK buyers point of view (especially one with 10k to spend)...

Good points:
Chassis number 500 - probably only bettered by having number 001

Bad points:
2 litre: Less made, hard to find
LHD (?): Only available for German/Austrian Market.
Engine rebuild (why?) Because I wanted to.
Body respray (why?) Because I wanted to
Leather refurb (why?) Again, Because I wanted to
OZ alloys (non-original?) Originals are available but it looks beer with OZ in my opinion.

For the money & collector you have in mind, it'd need to be a factory original, unrestored, exceptionally low mileage, V6 example.

For a 2 litre, resorted, possibly left hand drive car, 3k is probably the absolute best you can hope for.
2 litre: Less made, hard to find
LHD (?): Only available for German/Austrian Market.
Engine rebuild (why?) Because I wanted to.
Body respray (why?) Because I wanted to
Leather refurb (why?) Again, Because I wanted to
OZ alloys (non-original?) Originals are available but it looks beer with OZ in my opinion.
We shall see.

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Chassis no' 500....?? Even Cups weren't numbered in any order & certainly not by chassis. Sportivas don't have a number, no plaque & an unknown number were produced.

Edizione Sportiva 2001 (GTV) Yaroslav Bozhdynsky's Personal Website

It might be a nice car but it's market is mainland Europe not the UK.

The only plus point, in my opinion, are the seats which I think are the best Alfa ever put in a GTV.

Pictures + more details are needed to value properly but if you're planning a respray then I doubt you'll recoup your money.

Personally I'd want the V6 & I'd probably fit the full Cup kit to it & possibly put it back on Teledials in the proper cup silver.

Sorry to disappoint but if you like it then keep it, as you said in your email to me.

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No disappointment, you are clearly axed on British market and not open minded. Don't worry. It will sell.
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Good luck with it, I sincerely hope it sells for a very high price, that will bode well for all us 916 owners.

I am a little puzzled as to why you asked for our opinions when you have clearly already made your mind up?

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I'm confused. Are you trying to sell a left-hand drive GTV in the UK?
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You cannot really compare UK and European car prices for basically the same car. I have a AC Maserati which sell for 35-50k Euros on the continent, but UK prices are around 20 to 30k Equivalent. It would be like me trying to sell my car in Europe for 50k Euros, its not going to happen.
I do wish you well in selling it, but UK is probably not the best place, and it's not that we are narrow minded, it's just not that desirable here in LHD.
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It will, there are none left for sale anywhere, except a V6 in Germany for 15k euros.
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yup, unfortunately GTV's have not really hit the big money yet unless its a cup, or a very low mileage V6 with all the right refinments (6 speed box, Teledials, red,black,grigio and preferably a quaife and a polybushed rear suspension...


the TS is just not worth the money at the moment, although I suspect its just a matter of time before they climb in value, as an example I have a really nice verde tropic met GTV ,PH1 with less than 70k on the clock, everything works, 12 months MOT with no advisories, lusso spec with a fully working sunroof!! 2000 absolute tops and in reality nearer 1500.

yes it's criminal they are so cheap but the wider publc does not yet understand the appeal and as long as there are sheds out there going for 400 it will drag the price of all but the very best of them down considerably.

Trim level will often not increase the value of a car unless there is some engine/mechanical component to go with...added to which you are trying to sell a LHD car in a RHD market, we are not being narrow minded just obviously realistic about the value in this country.

if I want to sell a freezer I don't stick on gumtree iceland now do I..? it goes on gumtree Abu Dhabi!

right market right price, so with the utmost respect dont' ask a question and then shoot the messanger becasue you don't like the reply...

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Good luck with it, I sincerely hope it sells for a very high price, that will bode well for all us 916 owners.

I am a little puzzled as to why you asked for our opinions when you have clearly already made your mind up?

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Once again some very good points but still no definitive answer to intrinsic values of second hand Alfas. It may seem a bit odd and it is only entertainment but I watch Chasing Classic Cars from time to time. However, W.C. is always insisting on documentation for cars and not always the top end exotic. He also prefer cars, no matter what condition, unrestored. Some restorations are not restorations at all. I intend to sell my 3.0 GT V with less than 30,300 miles on the clock. But I am not at all hopeful about the price I will get. It has never been polished, just washed. It still has the original paint protection, so much so that it looks as it did when I bought it 18 years ago. The bumpers are of course faded but do not intend to do them because I believe people like to see what they are buying. The under body has been photographed to record the condition before re - undersealed. Interior in immaculate tan leather to compliment the lovely Ferrari Red. Alfa really but I call it that because Ferrari nicked it. Sixteen and seventeen inch wheels and silky five speed box. Quicker than a standard 3.2. Single Cat and Dec. 1998. Totally original. And what do I expect for it? Well, nothing like it's real value because people always want something for nothing, or at least peanuts. It's been Garaged all it's life and has been on train journeys throughout Europe from time to time. Maintained by two of the best Alfa specialists I know, Mario and Paul.
I love to read about what some people do to modify these cars and it's great. But I am conscious that while it demonstrates just how capable the GTV is, it also means original cars are becoming increasingly rare. On release, the price of the three litre was much higher - 30k plus but the price was dropped by some circa 10,000 as the marketing men got it wrong. Mine however was bought at the original price. This is my understanding but perhaps someone can shed light on it a little more. That price is to be believed however, as original the ticket price with five thousand on the clock was 23,950.
So, what in the considered opinion of AFM's is my original worth against a restored high miler? It would be interesting to know.
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Hi Guys,

I got a mint Edizione Sportiva with OZ alloys, top engine rebuild and chassis number 500 last ever built, it's the 2.0 Version. Fully resprayed/restored and leather reconditioned/restored. What sort of price I am looking to sell this for? I am thinking of getting rid of it at the end of Sept/early October due to other plans...
Let me know your thoughts.
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"Mint" refers to the Royal Mint and coinage having just been minted. An old coin cannot be restored to mint condition. However, if it is looked after in a collection it will remain in "Mint Condition". So for any car old car to be in "Mint Condition" it would need to be immediately go into a collection. A resprayed, reconditioned, overhauled engined car can never be "Mint". It can be in very very good condition but it is not in original condition. Sorry - just saying.
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I've been watching Sportiva models for 2-3 years now, in Holland & Germany mainly. I was close-ish to buying one in Germany 18 months ago, I only really wanted the interior, the black leather/red stitching combo is gorgeous. They come up fairly regularly, for all different prices. I ended up buying a donor UK car with the seats I wanted in the end. The seats themselves come up for sale on ebay.de etc or through continental breakers. Some cars are not advertised as sportivas so keep your eye out for the cup side vent when browsing!

As for the OP I would be advertising in Holland/Belgium/Germany etc although I don't think the number 500 brings too much kudos (or euros) to the sale.
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I've been watching Sportiva models for 2-3 years now, in Holland & Germany mainly. I was close-ish to buying one in Germany 18 months ago, I only really wanted the interior, the black leather/red stitching combo is gorgeous. They come up fairly regularly, for all different prices. I ended up buying a donor UK car with the seats I wanted in the end. The seats themselves come up for sale on ebay.de etc or through continental breakers. Some cars are not advertised as sportivas so keep your eye out for the cup side vent when browsing!

As for the OP I would be advertising in Holland/Belgium/Germany etc although I don't think the number 500 brings too much kudos (or euros) to the sale.
I also nearly bought a full set of Sportiva leather but the shipping was too much hassle for the seller & I wasn't going to Belgium to collect either!

I don't think the OP's car is number 500 as they're not individually numbered or recorded, no one knows how many were actually made.

As for me not being 'open minded'......I'm probably one of the most likely people to buy one, I certainly don't mind LHD....although it does limit the number of potential buyers, I just don't think they're special enough to warrant a premium price....especially a 2.0 TS..........nice seats though!

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Once again some very good points but still no definitive answer to intrinsic values of second hand Alfas. It may seem a bit odd and it is only entertainment but I watch Chasing Classic Cars from time to time. However, W.C. is always insisting on documentation for cars and not always the top end exotic. He also prefer cars, no matter what condition, unrestored. Some restorations are not restorations at all. I intend to sell my 3.0 GT V with less than 30,300 miles on the clock. But I am not at all hopeful about the price I will get. It has never been polished, just washed. It still has the original paint protection, so much so that it looks as it did when I bought it 18 years ago. The bumpers are of course faded but do not intend to do them because I believe people like to see what they are buying. The under body has been photographed to record the condition before re - undersealed. Interior in immaculate tan leather to compliment the lovely Ferrari Red. Alfa really but I call it that because Ferrari nicked it. Sixteen and seventeen inch wheels and silky five speed box. Quicker than a standard 3.2. Single Cat and Dec. 1998. Totally original. And what do I expect for it? Well, nothing like it's real value because people always want something for nothing, or at least peanuts. It's been Garaged all it's life and has been on train journeys throughout Europe from time to time. Maintained by two of the best Alfa specialists I know, Mario and Paul.
I love to read about what some people do to modify these cars and it's great. But I am conscious that while it demonstrates just how capable the GTV is, it also means original cars are becoming increasingly rare. On release, the price of the three litre was much higher - 30k plus but the price was dropped by some circa 10,000 as the marketing men got it wrong. Mine however was bought at the original price. This is my understanding but perhaps someone can shed light on it a little more. That price is to be believed however, as original the ticket price with five thousand on the clock was 23,950.
So, what in the considered opinion of AFM's is my original worth against a restored high miler? It would be interesting to know.
Your so right about them being undervalued. The last six V6's sold on eBay averaged 1760. A similar aged 911 would be 5 times that. It's the Fiat stigma I suspect.
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Your so right about them being undervalued. The last six V6's sold on eBay averaged 1760. A similar aged 911 would be 5 times that. It's the Fiat stigma I suspect.

You're always one for being negative when it comes to pricing, ignoring the cars retailed just concentrating on the Ebay auction ads, not classifieds. Most of those needed plenty of work, some were probably best to break for spares. Your low average price is helped by the last one which sold for 400 buy-it-now within 7 minutes of being listed, only 61k miles as well. That was/is worth far more as 'we' all know: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romea...p2047675.l2557

The last six GTV/Spider V6s I've sold have averaged 7730........& no Cups included!

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Just stating facts. You must admit they are not an easy sell. You've had the same cars listed for at least 6 months. A private seller doesn't want to be dealing with enquires for that time.
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Just stating facts. You must admit they are not an easy sell. You've had the same cars listed for at least 6 months. A private seller doesn't want to be dealing with enquires for that time.
Your facts are ignoring the 'retailed' cars, just quoting Ebay auction unknown quality cars isn't giving the whole picture.

A private seller probably won't be dealing with lots of enquiries...he'll be paying to advertise though & waiting to move on to his next car/purchase/whatever, so private people tend to sell quicker for less.....& most of their cars still need plenty of money spending on them.

Out of the six I've currently got advertised, only 2 are over six months, 3 are 'new' stock & 1 has only just been prepared for sale.

You like to break cars, I like to save them.....I'd probably earn more money, & quicker, breaking some of them instead of spending a small fortune preparing them for retail!? Not as satisfying though.

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