Gtv Spider Engine share info please !

[sudti]

Hi ALL

Hope someone can help

The engine on my wifes 1999 Gtv spider has died and was wondering if it is shared with any other alfa or is it unique?

May try to buy a doner car and fit a new engine with my son if possible.

Thanks in advance

Roger Griffiths

[SCCGTV]

The 156 engine is the same around this year though the MAF and a couple of other things could be different. If you're handy with cars give it a go, though most places will do it for you now £1250 all in, Sherburn in Leeds, Auto Lusso (not sure of the location) I've had good expereinces with both these companies. Think Auto Italia will also do this around the £1,250 mark.

The Engine in the GTV is the same as would be found in the:

156
147
146
166

there were a couple of different engines '99 could be either a CF2 or a CF3 i believe, someone else will no doubt confirm

[cessna-kevin]

Ive just fitted a 1998 low miles 146 twinspark engine in an 02 ,147 twinspark.The block is the same the heads vary and the manifolds and switches and wiring need to be changed,i have done this around a dozen times now but you have to be clued up to the differences or problems occur.Im no expert although im in the motor trade and i love Alfas, i can asure you i learn something new about working on alfas every week.

[the alligator]

Where about are you as I know to an engine at a very good price,

The CF2 engine has an alloy rocker cover whereas the CF3 engine has a plastic rocker cover. Now, I'm not sure if any 156 ever came with a alloy rocker cover CF2 engine as they were made from 1998+, and I think the CF2 engine was only in production up until the end of the 155 / 145 / 146 and a few early GTV's.

Now I'm not sure if you can swap a CF2 unit over with a 156 CF3 unit, does anybody know the answer to this???

[Mitch916]

Originally Posted by Darren156

The CF2 engine has an alloy rocker cover whereas the CF3 engine has a plastic rocker cover. Now, I'm not sure if any 156 ever came with a alloy rocker cover CF2 engine as they were made from 1998+, and I think the CF2 engine was only in production up until the end of the 155 / 145 / 146 and a few early GTV's.

Now I'm not sure if you can swap a CF2 unit over with a 156 CF3 unit, does anybody know the answer to this???

Thats not right Daz is it? CF1 has the alloy cover, CF2 & CF3's plastic.

Edit: Yep, thought so

http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_romeo_cf.shtml

Mitch, does that mean then that ALL CF2 and 3 engines are compatible? And if so does it also stand true with the CF1 alloy rocker cover engines? Can you shove a plastic CF2/3 rocker cover engine into a CF1 body with relative ease?

CF2 & CF3 have differing wiring arrangements for the twin sparking system, CF2 uses the same arrangement as CF1 whereas CF3 has both leads from each coil going into one cylinder...........I think thats right anyway!

You can easily fit the later plastic rocker cover to a CF1 engine, but need to rig an earth wire from the coil plate to the block, and make a couple of alterations to the crank breather pipes.

[sudti]

Thanks fo r all the replies will be useful for sure

[cessna-kevin]

hi bert cheese, im keen for knowledge, so what alterations need to be made to the crank breather pipes in order to fit a plastic top to an early engine as ive always simply fitted them.I may be missing something out in the change over.

[David C]

All this assumes you have a 16v TS engine. You haven't actually said which engine you have...!

[boston]

mate,i had the same problem.i dont know why my engine died,i bloody well slept with it!jokin,many oil changes etc.got a recon from autolusso recently and will ask them why mine died before ,when i speak to the fella who rebuilds em.was it well serviced?oil,etc?

[Smaky]

Originally Posted by Darren156

Mitch, does that mean then that ALL CF2 and 3 engines are compatible? And if so does it also stand true with the CF1 alloy rocker cover engines? Can you shove a plastic CF2/3 rocker cover engine into a CF1 body with relative ease?

Yes, from the rocker cover down they are the same engine. It all changes again when the electronics, EGR and exhaust are brought in, but the block and head from any 2.0TS can be transplanted into any other 2.0TS, just use the original ancilleries.

[Smaky]

Originally Posted by Bert Cheese

CF2 & CF3 have differing wiring arrangements for the twin sparking system, CF2 uses the same arrangement as CF1 whereas CF3 has both leads from each coil going into one cylinder...........I think thats right anyway!

You can easily fit the later plastic rocker cover to a CF1 engine, but need to rig an earth wire from the coil plate to the block, and make a couple of alterations to the crank breather pipes.

CF1 and some CF2 have cross cylinder HT connections, then some CF2 and all CF3 engines have one coil per 2 plugs in the same cylinder. The trick is that the coil packs with rounded sockets on are for the early engines and the packs with the squared sockets are for the latter.

The CF bit relates to the emmision regulations as the were brought in in 3 stages, the different CF2 variants was down to the ECUs used, I.E a CF2 in a 146 will have a 1.5.5 ECU whereas in a 156 it will be a 7.3.1 ECU, same engine different HT setup and mildly different timing on the ignition.

[David C]

Originally Posted by Smaky

...I.E a CF2 in a 146 will have a 1.5.5 ECU whereas in a 156 it will be a 7.3.1 ECU, same engine different HT setup and mildly different timing on the ignition.

I know this won't get a good reaction, but that is wrong.
CF2 156 TS (manual box) have M1.5.5 (Basic cable throttle), CF3 156 TS have ME7.3.1 (fly-by-wire throttle).