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Old 23-05-2008   #151 (Post Link)
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Re: 156 GTA rust epidemic warning?

Hi all,

My rust saga is over for the time being. I have my bella back from the bodyshop after a full front end respray (I got the whole front done to get rid of the stone chips) and having the rust on the offside wing repaired. I asked the bodyshop to check out both wings and their statement from was inconclusive. They said there wasn’t evidence of serious internal rust on the offside, but I suspect they may have been hedging their bets as they are an Alfa approved bodyshop so may not have wanted to say anything too negative. They said the nearside was fine. It appears the rust on my wing had been repaired before, so it may be surface rust. The repair should be better this time, they also put an edging tape along the wheel arch liners to reduce chafing and sealed them. So hopefully it won’t come back, but I won’t hold my breath

Here's the full detail of what I did:
  • I went to the local dealer to get the 5 year bodywork inspection done. They agreed there was rust showing on one wing and they got an estimate to get it fixed at an Alfa approved bodyshop (about 225 quid).
  • I said I felt that the rust should be covered under the anti-perforation warranty, the dealer said they would report it to Alfa UK.
  • After a couple of weeks, the dealer came back and said that Alfa said it was not covered under the 8 year anti-perforation warranty.
  • I contacted ARUK directly and explained the situation to them. I said I wanted an explanation as to why my claim was not being honoured while a similar claim had been honoured (this was James Leeson, aka Bazza).
  • They came back to me and said they would look into it but in the meantime they would offer me a 50% goodwill contribution (they mentioned that the car looked very well looked after).
  • I said thanks but no thanks because I still felt it should all be covered under the 8 year anti-perforation warranty. I said I wanted a clear explanation as to why the warranty was being refused.
  • They came back with:

    “I have contacted the warranty department and they have advised that the claim was rejected for two reasons. In order to comply with the warranty a full bodywork inspection must be carried out at an authorised Alfa Romeo dealer on the 3rd and 5th year anniversary of the vehicles date of registration. Regrettably the 3rd year body and paint inspection was not carried out.

    The 8 year Anti Perforation Warranty covers rust which has perforated the metal and has originated from inside the cavity panel or section of the bodywork i.e. from a surface which has not been finished with a topcoat. The effected area on your vehicle has a topcoat and therefore is not deemed warrantable.”

  • At this point, they offered me an 80% goodwill contribution (“in recognition of my loyalty”), which I said I would think about. They said they could not discuss the details of other claims, so were effectively ignoring James’ claim as evidence.
I did send an email explaining why I felt the rust was in fact perforating from the inside but this didn’t change their position. I mulled it over and decided to get the work done and accept the 80% contribution. I don't know if it it will cure the problem but as I didn’t have the 3 year check done (and the service after three years was not carried out at a main dealer), I felt I was on shaky ground – the warranty conditions clearly state the three-year inspection is required.

So here's my advice on this issue:
  • Make sure you have the three-year and five-year inspections done.
  • If you approach ARUK, be very courteous and patient. They were nice people and it didn’t take much effort to get the goodwill contribution of 50%. When I persistently but politely kept going back to them, they did raise it to 80% which I was actually pretty happy with considering I hadn’t had the inspection done.

Cheers,

Nigel
 
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Old 23-05-2008   #152 (Post Link)
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Re: 156 GTA rust epidemic warning?

Upsetting that they have been inconsistent, and I'm sorry that my information didn't help you.

Well done on standing your corner while remaining polite though, and as a second best option 80% isn't bad.
So many people seem to think they have the right to shout and rant at the person on the other end of the phone, and I'm sure you got better results by remaining a gentleman
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Old 24-05-2008   #153 (Post Link)
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Thanks for trying to help out Bazza but I can see their point. The circumstances may be different in each case, and we don't know the full details of each other's circumstances. In my case, there was a previous repair and it could be that rust had come through from that. It may have been a surface rust problem originally repaired under the three-year warranty. But I found all the people that I dealt with at the dealer and ARUK to be very reasonable (even though they would not accept the warranty claim) so it was actually quite easy to come to a mutually agreeable arrangement.

It definitely is worth getting those stamps in the service book though.

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You can add my name to the list too.
I noticed a spot of rust on the drivers side front wheel arch whilst the car was having it's first MOT.
I arranged for it to have it's third year inspection (which can be plus or minus 30 days from it's 3rd birthday) and a inspection for the rust.
The guy that stamped the book said it was over 3 years old according to his system. My log book has a later 1st registration date than his comuter (by a few weeks). He told me my log book must be wrong!!
Whether he is right or wrong doesn't really matter as how am I supposed to know when to get it inspected other than by using the date on the V5?
Anyway the bodyshop manager refused to believe it had not been repaired before and insisted it was a bad previous repair. As far as I know the car has never had an accident (I bought it 13 months old). He used his paint thickness gauge and said the paint was thicker on the arch than anywhere else and therefore been resprayed. As a last resort i asked him to check the other wheel arches and lo and behold they where identical in paint thickness. He admitted defeat (although i could still hear him mumbling that he would put money on it that it had been repaired before) and said he would put a claim in to alfa.
That was about 6 months ago, and i haven't heard anything since. I should really ring him up but have been so busy with work, family life I just haven't got round to it (and knowing it won't be a simple as a sinle phone call).

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Old 04-06-2008   #155 (Post Link)
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Re: 156 GTA rust epidemic warning?

I think you need to go to a different dealer. This one is not going to fight your corner if they are struggling to believe you.

I would contact Alfa about it too, you have already been inconvenienced so they may be willing to help you out.

Is it the same rust spot on the front arch close to the front bumper? Lots of prior cases here to use ...
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Yes, it is almost where the wing meets the front bumper.
To be honest I should call the workshop back, maybe they've just lost my number (doubt it though!).
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Re: 156 GTA rust epidemic warning?

This is my one......

I think before long I am going to have the body shop have a look and ask Alfa UK for a contribution to the repair cost. I understand why they (Alfa) would not be interested, but presently we have about £60k (new price) worth of Alfa around so a 100 contribution to a repair that I see is really their issue should be a small amount to bear.

Let's see how we get on.........

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(By the way the small brown mark above the arch is something our local birds have left behind, not a rust mark!)

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Old 18-07-2008   #158 (Post Link)
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Just came back from my local specialist, Ken Bell (Alfanatic). He's said he's seen rust on every GTA that he has had through his workshops. I didn't ask him how many that was mind, but he was interested to hear what had happened to me.

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Re: 156 GTA rust epidemic warning?

Originally Posted by Ferryman_1957 View Post
Just came back from my local specialist, Ken Bell (Alfanatic). He's said he's seen rust on every GTA that he has had through his workshops. I didn't ask him how many that was mind, but he was interested to hear what had happened to me.

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Believe it or not, my wings are free of rust!
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As are mine. Just checked front and back
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94,000 miles since 03, no rust.
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