r/r gta 147

OK, had the plugs fitted yesterday by an alfa specialist and a diagnostics check here is the report.

vehicle running poor,engine light on.changed spark plugs at the request of customer, still not driving as it should.Run engine diagnostics with examiner and found vehicle to be over fueling we would recommend the car is set back to original to improve it's overall performance.

And btw the guy who road tested my car he thought the power was holding back and was crap compered to other gta's he as drove.

Did he show any fault codes at all ?

just to make a quick note that Im almost certain my problem isnt the map but a loose/bad sensor. I got the same problem when going over a bad bump at 3k revs so its obviously a physical connection problem.

Just to let you know ive got fed up with the poor running of my car it really has got me down and i went to the dealer's for a reflash of the ecu back to standard.

Just cannot believe the difference with my car , I'll say it now as i did to you Jayson it was not the plugs i gave you the benefit of doubt,
it was the remap,
the car is very rapid now i feel the over fueling of the car contributed to the plugs being in such a mess BTW the gaps on the plugs new and old are the same.

i spent quite abit of money to do all these things plus traveling down to you .

I'll live and learn.

And on that note, if anyone would like the truth, including photographs of plugs please call the office on 01527-579345

And for the benefit of everyone else reading this maybe you would like to inform us of the main dealer who flashed the software back to original on your alfa.

@ 24v Had my car done by the same place and never had a problem with it infact it now uses less fuel and gets better mpg

Jason why does anyone want photo's when I've put a link up.

LISTEN JASON,when i came down to you 2nd time i said i wanted my money back and car back to standard you said it was deffinetly my plugs, I've proved to you that it was not the plugs even though you got a strop on, I'm not going to mince my words as you at the time f....d my car up ,you still say its not your map but it was.

Darth vader your car might be ok from Jason so are other peoples cars, but he messed mine up.
I dont have to tell you nothing Jason who are you,you've got my money and Ive spent more money to prove your wrong

You know what Jason tell every one what you said to me yesterday about your links to your QUOTE 3milllion pound business if it's worth 3million pound,s what is 300 pounds to you, plus i'm 200 out of pocket because i've had to get the car sorted out because of your map.

Do you think i'm going to waste my time coming down to you again,how about you send me my 300 back to me via post,or do's that hurt your pocket Jason.

I tell you what when you send me the cheque i'll take a picture of it for everyone to see to prove your customer service is so great.

Sorry to hear your plight 24V, would certainly love to see a refund for you. Some other companies who offer the same service would not even hesitate. Would certainly do them no harm!!

Good luck..

mmmm..... Was going to get mine re mapped but not so sure now! Although a few GTA owners on here have had decent enough results from it.
Maybe better off going for a CSC silencer instead

OK, here is the unadulterated truth.
I swear on everything i own and love that every word is of 100% truth.

You came to us for a remap, you didnt pay the extra for the dyno run so we did a remap taken off your original.
Your initial report to us after a test drive and before payment was even asked for was that the car was better.

You went away happy.

You called me a few days later that you had been to another rolling road and had a run done on the car, this gave around 254hp but having spoken to many forum guys and owners the average original result is 240hp which showed yours at 15hp above the norm.

Anyway, putting this aside you want to come back for us to look at the car to which we agreed immediately.

You come back and we put the car on the dyno after first putting the car back to original.
The difference was then lower at around 225hp (if memory is correct).

This again proved the remap was working but we did notice a slight judder on acceleration and informed you that the plugs needed changing.

We told you this and said once you do them feel free to come back and we will dyno the car for free for you.

You went mad in front of other customers about how you had spent money and didnt feel the gains we gooed enough even though we proved a 20hp+ difference from our map to the original one.

Anyway, after several minutes of banter i agreed to replce the plugs myself at my cost just to prove a point.

We waited for them to arive and we went about fitting the first three which were in awefull condition, the electrodes on all of them burnt almost to the core.
You even admitted right away about how bad they looked and appologised to me directly for being rude earlier in the day.
I said dont worry as i understand its not nice when you spend money on a car and feel it isnt perfect.

We didnt fit the final 3 plugs due to ability to remove them.
You then asked for a refund again and we told you we had done the map but you agreed to come back to us once the plugs had been fitted.

We then left the car with the original software fitted and NOT the modified software.
We first wrote this down on our datasheet and placed this into our online banking information database as proof we would re-apply the remap file when you came back as agreed.
The reason for this is that we knew at this point that you would say the remap was the cause of the problem.

You call me back the day after and say the car is running awefull, even though we all know the original file is on the car.
You agree to call us back for a mutual time where we will fully refund you.
We never at any time said we wouldnt refund in full and i even told you myself on the phone that it would be worth every penny just to refund you and you not bother me again.

You then ring me up later that day and TELL me you are comming the next morning.
I inform you this is not possible due to other working commitments.
You then tell me that unless i sort the car out you will come to my place, break my legs and f*ck me up good and proper.
This was overheard by 4 members of staff and the 3 building guys working at the unit (should anyone want to ring the office for confirmation of this)

I then inform you that an opperation of my size wouldnt be in place without substantial backing and that if you really did want to come down with the main objective of having a world war it would not be a wise thing.

When things calmed down you agreed to come back where we would refund you in full.

I called you back later that day to arange a time and you tell me to keep the money, you think its better to walk away from it.
I said i seriosuly hold no grudges and would gladly refund you in full including your fuel costs to me, you declined.

Now this may lose me any credability on this forum, i may never tune another Alfa in my life, but the truth is the truth.
I have tried to be as honest as i possibly can and every word i have said is 100% truth.

Jason stop the jackanory bull s..t .
you failed in doing my car ,BTW i never apologised to you so dont get off on on it'' i dont apologise to any one when I'm right,i paid for the plugs the blonde one on your reception took the money ok, that's why i have the receipt and i told her to keep the change.
weather you put the map on or off the car it has been the same since it came to your shambles of a business.
Admit it Jason and get your customer service on track it needs it.



BTW the car's cost me about 535 pounds and i have nothing to show for it.

Jason don't bother phoning me i dont want to talk with you anymore.

Thanks everyone on this thread who contributed to it I'm finding someone else now to remap the car , i cannot help myself i want it doing asap even though it drives lovely now since i went to the dealers and the fuel is back to normal again .

When i get it remapped I'll give all of you my findings, but I'll start a nice clean thread . i wont be contributing to this one anymore its getting tit for tat and 'its not going anywhere.

many thanks.

mate Im not taking sides but if the original map was put back on then it cant be the map can it?

Dont want to take sides either but you've got a point Pablo.
Very sad when things turn out like this.....

Since yesterday i havge spoken with several forum members and other people off this forum who have been shocked by your claims.

I think it only fair for you to post on this thread the details of the main dealer who put the software back to standard for you (supposedly).

This will verify one of 2 things,

1) I am a liar, some of the things i said above would be proved untrue, i would lose all credability and almost certainly never map another forum members car again.

2) You need psychiactric help.

Also, i only said i personally offered to pay for the plugs, this was because you were making a fuss in front of other customers.
You did indeed pay for them after you said "sorry mate, but i am sure you would do the same in my position"
I replied "no, i would take advice if i were given it".

Anyway, as a forum regular it should be too hard to post here with the details of the dealer who updated your software and make me look a fool.

I just can’t believe the car wasn’t put on the rolling road before the remap was carried out??? We all know how much they can vary so to base any gains on the previous report is just foolish.

I’m certainly not going to take sides in this but from an outside perspective it looks to me that 24v has been a bit unreasonable.

We did put the car on the dyno with the original map fitted, it gave approx 230hp.
It gave 255hp with the map.

My bad, i must have misunderstood.

I have nothing really to add to this thread, although I'm to see how a map could screw up the car and damage plugs in such a short amount of time. Unless I'm mistaken and it was remapped quite a while ago?

Although I'm actually interested to see if any other GTA's are suffering from coked up/damaged plugs, how many miles are on your car 24v?

Ive just had a very interesting meeting with Gordon, he is the guy who owns street racers in leicester who did the dyno run for 24v.

Now 24v had told me that the dyno guy said the car was appalling, the worst he had done.

Now it seems that gordon had actually said that this was an amazing (yes he used the word amazing) condition car running perfectly on the dyno and with bags of power.

He found the car to be perfect.

This of course can be verified by anyone on this forum by simply contacting gordon direct at streetracers.

Anyway, ive also been thinking about the posts made by 24v himself.

He has mentioned the following and i am quoting him word for word !!!

"the car itself as been great since i picked it up in the begining of january in every way."

"After the remap it felt ok at first touching the throttle but as the revs build up it seems to run out of breath now."

"I didn't ever doubt the map, but I wanted the car engine right before I had the remap"

Now you admitted that the car has been fine since you owned it and this included right upto the point of the dyno run which was AFTER we mapped it.

Then you quoted about the car being better after the map but then seemed to run out of puff, this was due to the remap requiring a better spark, the only method of getting power from a non turbo petrol and with dying plugs it was only ever going to go downhill.

You then stated you didnt doubt the map, thats because it works well and the difference on your car with an without the map is slightly over 20hp proving the map gives power.

I dont wish to continue this argument on the forum but i fealt as you had dragged the other dyno company into this argument it would only be fair for the readers of this post to know what they actually did say regarding your car.

I have to agree with Pablo that if the ECU was flashed back to the OE map by ChippedUK and still ran like a bag of crap its not going to be the remap.

I have been in Pablo's car (Chippeduk map) and it runs very well indeed, feels faster than my std one thats for sure..

think I found my problem too, loose earth strap just where the coolant sensor is. The only reason I thought the map may be to blame was the fact that 24Vs car seemed to be doing the same thing (power cut on limiter)