Hi all.. Im new, need info.. Supersprint or Ragazzon???

Originally Posted by Per

Er.......yes, the rear silencer alone works out at about £1700 (before importing, taxes etc!), the centre section comes in at nearly £700 and the beautifully crafted pre cat pipes come in at about £850 - and all that excludes the manifolds

What a shame........

But what a glorious glorious sound.

Big question though... why does it take a Japanese exhaust manufacturer to make an Italian V6 sound like an Italian V8, and why can it not be done here surely the sound can be engineered by a competent custom exhaust maunfacturer????

Per

The japanese manufacturer obviously has a vast knowledge of vehicle acoustics and has tuned specific frequency orders so that he can get the exhaust sound like that. I believe that there is some serious acoustic development involved with this system and thats why it has a high price. In the same way car manufacturers tune their exhaust systems to match the car's DNA and market expectations.

wusssp? **** u

Originally Posted by TothAmon

Isn't most of those japanese exhausts made out of titanium? I guess that would explain the price. But if you really want to go crazy and use more money on the exhaust than on the car it self, try Tubi. They have started making exhaust systems out of inconel, same stuff they use in formula one. Extremely difficult to work with.

Well, they offer a system for the Enzo at least, but I'm certain Alfa GTA is next on their list! =)

I have already asked Tubi which they only developed one for 2.5 V6. It looks very ordinary. I don't know the sound of it. I know Tubi sounds good on Ferrari but I guess it is not easy to Ferrari sound bad, right?

Originally Posted by hanifcd

wusssp? **** u

I bet you say that to all the ladies....

Originally Posted by newalfisti

The japanese manufacturer obviously has a vast knowledge of vehicle acoustics and has tuned specific frequency orders so that he can get the exhaust sound like that. I believe that there is some serious acoustic development involved with this system and thats why it has a high price. In the same way car manufacturers tune their exhaust systems to match the car's DNA and market expectations.

Very true - but tunign a vehicle to sound good as opposed to performing good may not be mutally compatible.....

sorry about the last message some other ppl was using it while i was away

Originally Posted by hanifcd

sorry about the last message some other ppl was using it while i was away

Well you could edit it to get rid of the post in question dude !!

What diameter pipes are the supersprint and ragg?

Im considering a custom job from the manifolds back. Probably work out much the same price as the centre and back pipes from a namebrand.

Hi everybody.... thank you all for all your opinions... I wish there was only one option. Would anyone happen too have a dyno report on Ragazzon??? Just wondering if one puts out more horse power than the other, does anybody know?? Supersprint displays it on there site and i cant seem to find anything on Ragazzon. Ohh yeah, almost forgot. One more question. Do the two sound similar, which barks more???? thanks again all

Originally Posted by ukoldschool

Very true - but tunign a vehicle to sound good as opposed to performing good may not be mutally compatible.....

I would sacrifice 5hp for that sound.

Cool, im pritty much convinced... Im getting the SS.. Thanks for all your opinions

Pablo,

Be careful if its a Powerflow custom, I notice a few people with GTV's have had problems with them not using stainless steel and bad welds.

Originally Posted by ABYSS

I would sacrifice 5hp for that sound.

aah but woudl you sacrifice 20? where does go stop and show become important?

Not very cheap, but very interesting: Madeno Racing stainless exhaust system. If you've heard it once, you want to have it
They have manifold up to and including rear silencer (including KAT replacement )

http://www.madeno.nl/nl/tuning_frames.html

(the go to "147GTA" followed by "sportuitlaten")

Rear silencer:
http://www.madeno.nl/parts/Image-0155l.jpg

Manifold:
http://www.madeno.nl/parts/spruitstuk_gtal.jpg

Originally Posted by ukoldschool

aah but woudl you sacrifice 20? where does go stop and show become important?

Of course not mate. But at the same time would you have 20hp increase with sh1t sound exhaust. Sometimes sound and look are quite important otherwise Ferrari won't exist. I'm sure the reason you have GTA is something relate to the sound and look. Otherwise you should drive Subby or Evo which is better performance. But where is the design and sound?

Where do you stop? The more you look, the more you wana buy.. Madeno Racing looks very nice but i cant read it so im taking that as a sign...

Originally Posted by ABYSS

Of course not mate. But at the same time would you have 20hp increase with sh1t sound exhaust. Sometimes sound and look are quite important otherwise Ferrari won't exist. I'm sure the reason you have GTA is something relate to the sound and look. Otherwise you should drive Subby or Evo which is better performance. But where is the design and sound?

Well im odd then cause id take a 20bhp increase and a 'sh1t' sound any day! I drive a gta because its a nice easy to drive everyday car. Its not a 'real' performance car, but it has a good blend of decent power, good brakes (when upgraded of course) and it isnt a car you see very often on the road. The interior -which is of course where you spend all your time- is the reason id never buy a subaru or any jap car, and all the evo's just looks like chav cars to me so regardless of how it drives im not into it. The 'sound' isnt an issue for me, I would prefer a 2.0 16v turbo 147 GTA if it were available (and i bet it would handle a lot better with less weight over the front) to be completely honest... but thats why I have an Integrale as well

Hi guys

I have had a Raga silenced centre pipe and back box on my 147 GTA for about a month now.

It sounds really good, not too intrusive, and looks great too. It looks slightly bigger than the standard box, but that fits in nicely with the wider arches and stance of the car.

I also fitted an Autodelta air filter (not the whole pipe) and pick up is slightly better around town, but the difference in performance is not that noticable.

It took a couple of weeks for it to come from Gazella (about £420 for both parts) and £80 to get it fitted.

Go for it

Anybody heard a Quicksilver exhaust? I see Black and White do them.

http://www.blackandwhitegarage.com/a...accessoryId=10

The 'sound' isnt an issue for me, I would prefer a 2.0 16v turbo 147 GTA if it were available

With all due respect, I totally and utterly disgree. I can understand not wanting to bother with exhaust notes, but anyone who says the roar of the Alfa V6 isn't a massive plus point over a wheezy Turbo'd 4pot needs their head looking!

After my Elise and my ITR, I just cant put up with the throttle response and lag of a Turbo. I'd take NA over Turbo'd any day of the week.

The only reason I can think of for wanting a Turbo over a V6 is petrol consumption, but I'd say that was easily trumped by sonorisity and throttle response.

As for Quicksilver, the Lotus guys and girls rate them very well.