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Michelin PS2 vs PS3??

I have just booked Event Tyres to come and stick two new Michelin Pilot Sport 3 tyres on the car tomorrow. I currently have PS2's on it. Does anyone know what the difference between the two is (apart from the price!).
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PS3's are the latest tyre, even longer lasting than the PS2, better wet performance but very slightly reduced extreme dry performance as a reasonable compromise for both the above gains.
They would be the ones to go for I think
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Excellent - worth the extra £2 then!

For info, Event Tyres are fitting at my home for £116 per tyre. Seems pretty reasonable. Booked this afternoon and will be fitted tomorrow morning.
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PS3's are the latest tyre, even longer lasting than the PS2, better wet performance but very slightly reduced extreme dry performance as a reasonable compromise for both the above gains.
They would be the ones to go for I think
How can you tell, since they have only been out for a few months now ?
All the tests I've seen put the PS3 below the PS2 in terms of dry performance, but above the PS2 in terms of wet performance.
And both are below Cotinental SC5P, Pirelli PZero and Bridgestone Potenza S001.
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How can I tell about the longer lasting performance?
Well Michelin claim 10% more mileage over the PS2 in their tests, and given I can get 20K out of a set of PS2 on my fairly extreme GTA for road use, that sounds pretty impressive to me.
PS2s were already the leader for tread life in the ultra high performance category.
The fact that I could get three trackdays out of PS2's with my own car is pretty impressive since my car could melt Eagle F1 GSD03's.

PS2's are still tops for dry driving compared to almost anything out there according to this really detailed Sport Auto test (reputable German publication).
PS2's go down in the ranking in tests by other magazines that are heavily biased for wet driving.
Personally, for that sort of tyre I dont think the level of wet performance is that relevant unless you really want to err on the safe side.
Its great that they are safe for sure, but most folks dont push the car anywhere near the the limit for road use on the wet, certainly I don't..
For wet track days, sure its of some help, but laptimes etc are way more down to the driver at that point, and its just about fun in the wet.

Sport Auto says:
"•The Michelin Pilot Sport 2 is still the tyre to beat in the dry, with only the P Zero matching its performance when the tarmac wasn’t wet."

The Bridgestone Potenza S001 was the overall winner, but was behind the PS2 in the dry

Link at:
2010 Sport Auto Ultra High Performance Tyre Test - tyre reviews, the online tyre guide

BTW that looks like a very useful site, worth bookmarking.




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How can you tell, since they have only been out for a few months now ?
All the tests I've seen put the PS3 below the PS2 in terms of dry performance, but above the PS2 in terms of wet performance.
And both are below Cotinental SC5P, Pirelli PZero and Bridgestone Potenza S001.


I'm not a doctor - but I really do recommend braking later

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Good post TB

That's what will be going onto mine next.
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I did not mean what Michelin claims, of course they claim the newer ones are better, and perhaps they are, but it's not confirmed yet.
And yes, the PS2 is very good in the dry, but then again the PS Cup is better.
There are quite a few tests out there, German or otherwise, but very few tested the PS3 and were not impressed with it, it barely makes the Top3 in one of the tests, and Top5 in the others. And that is partly because the dry performance is not on par with the PS2.
But like I said, it's a new tyre, very few personal experiences.
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Ps2 are good for longevity, I got 40K out of the ones on the front of the beemer.
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Well just had them fitted and been for a spirited test drive. The water dispersant channels in the tyre are wider and there is an extra one compared to the PS2. Seem good, but impossible to compare as the old PS2's were on the limit.

Good service from Event Tyres mobile fitting service.
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Yes the Pilot Sport Cups are great, but IMHO really only make sense for track use and driving there and back.
I found they lasted exceptionally well for track use (not road use!) and got 4 track days out of them on my car, which is frankly unbelievable! They have incredible consistancy under stress too, way way way better than Toyo 888's or Kumhos V700a's over 3 or more hot laps (Toyos go off after 2).
Kumhos resist heat well, but even with the harder compound the fronts used to chunk alarmingly under heavy braking in my car.

For day to day use, the Cups arent that practical, in the wet you have to be incredibly cautious, and when they are not warmed up the rears can be very unforgiving.
At tracks days many rookies spin on their very first warmup lap on cold Cups! (on a totally dry track )
As for the wet, forget about it.

For road use in the summer they are livable with, but the wear rate is very high, probably three times as much as the PS2 I suspect.

Anyway the OP asked what was the differences between the PS2 and the PS3 as opposed to what is the best tyre in general from any make.


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I did not mean what Michelin claims, of course they claim the newer ones are better, and perhaps they are, but it's not confirmed yet.
And yes, the PS2 is very good in the dry, but then again the PS Cup is better.
There are quite a few tests out there, German or otherwise, but very few tested the PS3 and were not impressed with it, it barely makes the Top3 in one of the tests, and Top5 in the others. And that is partly because the dry performance is not on par with the PS2.
But like I said, it's a new tyre, very few personal experiences.

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Is that 40k of your English miles?
Wow, that must be some sort of record

I'm just about to replace rear tyres on my 320D too, so I was thinking PS2 or PS3.



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Ps2 are good for longevity, I got 40K out of the ones on the front of the beemer.
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Originally Posted by Trailbraker View Post
Anyway the OP asked what was the differences between the PS2 and the PS3 as opposed to what is the best tyre in general from any make.
Yes, I was really happy with the PS2's after trying Dunlops and Pirellis, so not interested in trying any other brand to be honest.
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Is that 40k of your English miles?
Wow, that must be some sort of record

I'm just about to replace rear tyres on my 320D too, so I was thinking PS2 or PS3.
Yup, the coupe came with them on, I got about 34-35K out of the rears, only reason we changed the fronts was the cords were showing on the outer edges, BMWs kingpin setup on the msport coupe (maybe others as well) promotes wear on the outer edge, if it wasn't for that we'd probably still have them on the front now at 44K
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I am currently facing this dilemna.

£112.50 fitted each for a choice of PS2 or PS3 with a £70 fuel voucher back!

Works out at £95 a corner fitted.

Can't decide
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Originally Posted by Alexandrus View Post
I did not mean what Michelin claims, of course they claim the newer ones are better, and perhaps they are, but it's not confirmed yet.
And yes, the PS2 is very good in the dry, but then again the PS Cup is better.
There are quite a few tests out there, German or otherwise, but very few tested the PS3 and were not impressed with it, it barely makes the Top3 in one of the tests, and Top5 in the others. And that is partly because the dry performance is not on par with the PS2.
But like I said, it's a new tyre, very few personal experiences.
PS3's have been out for quite a number of years now......
Introduced in 2010 I think...

Latest is the pilot super sport, which gets very good reviews, but not available in europe in 17", only larger
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I just fitted a pair of ps3s for 110 a corner.
Couldn't find any voucher deals
Who is offering fuel vouchers off

I have to get teacking redone to '0' toe
As I have never got great mileage out my tyres
Inside have always worn premature
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see f.i.
ADAC Test - Sommerreifen 2013 - 225/45 R17

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Michelin Launch the Michelin Pilot Sport 3 - TyreReviews
for ps2 vs ps3

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Originally Posted by AYAT View Post
I just fitted a pair of ps3s for 110 a corner.
Couldn't find any voucher deals
Who is offering fuel vouchers off

I have to get teacking redone to '0' toe
As I have never got great mileage out my tyres
Inside have always worn premature
I couldn't until just today, I have been looking for a few weeks now.

It is Kwik-fit (i know) but it seems too good a deal to be missed.
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Originally Posted by jwq View Post
PS3's have been out for quite a number of years now......
Introduced in 2010 I think...

Latest is the pilot super sport, which gets very good reviews, but not available in europe in 17", only larger
I revived the thread from 2010
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That explains it then, I was a bit confused.....
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Pilot Super Sports are just amazing!! Super sticky tyres
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Originally Posted by BeautifulBusso View Post
Pilot Super Sports are just amazing!! Super sticky tyres
Apparently, I wish they would sell them in Europe in 225/45/17"
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Apparently, I wish they would sell them in Europe in 225/45/17"
That's why I upgraded to 18s
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Originally Posted by Firstcaralfa View Post
I couldn't until just today, I have been looking for a few weeks now.

It is Kwik-fit (i know) but it seems too good a deal to be missed.
Bugger .... Would have saved £25
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Indeed ah well. It was blind luck that made me stumble upon it.

I was dead set on buying online for £95 then getting them fitted for £10 eachso £40 saved!
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