which one

[essexromeo]

Hi Just joined, drive a Range rover which will keep ,looking for a car for daily drive to office,was told to buy a golf or bmw blue thingy,saw a Giulietta on tower bridge yesterday looked great.
which model is best would be keen on good mpg and assume diesel option is best.
lusso or veloce 140 or 170 manual or auto
mpg real figures rather than brochure.

comments please and help

regards

Essex romeo...any good dealers in essex ????

[DANQV2]

Firstly Hello fellow essex boi !! lol

Anyway, ur options wow u have many..

firstly for MPG, go diesel the TCT (auto) seems to be getting positive feedback and rivals the DSG in the VW on many levels. The MA and QV your looking at 30-45ish urban and motorway..The QV the lower end of that scale. Diesel i believe is getting some good figures.

Secondly trim well do you want luxury or sport feel? The diesel you get the twin pipes as standard, like the QV. Full Leather seems to be a good choice here too, as well as the panaramic roof (not for me mind you). Wheels you have a few options if you want to go more extravagent, try the pot wheels that one mine (see sig) or the turbines. Lots of helpful chaps on here, im sure they can help you further with your diesel questions.

I nearly used Chelmsford AMC, but i got a better deal all the way out in maidstone lipscomp alfa, theyre good, and i got a the odd bits chucked in too, (on top on 19% staff discount). Theyre showroom is a whole lot better as well as their facilities, and The ALFA girl there Emilie, she knows her stuff. If you go there, mention dan sent me here she may offer you a little deal. Romford i wasnt impressed with they took no interest in my PX and didnt like the location or the dealers. But PX isnt your priority so , just getting a good deal, now theyre doing 5 years service and warranty, which is a steal i think!!

Dan

[essexromeo]

Hi and thx for quick reply, excuse this Q but what are QV & MA ?
re trim which is what lusso or veloce sport or luxury?
140 or 170 diesel man or auto ?
what % discount on new would one expect ?

[DANQV2]

Qv is the CLoverleaf known as the Top of the Range, 235bhp 1.7 turbo, is lowered and has a little more bits on the interior. Has standard diamond cut turbines which look nice, although i went for the more traditional alfa looking pot wheels.

The MA is the Multiair which is the Award winning engine, and its very very good, has a good sound pumping out 170bhp, very close to the QV in trim. But mpg isnt as expected, and the QV is quite near it.

Discount hhmmm, i think you could get a good deal. Im sure someone else who didnt have a staff discount could help further with their own experience. I think i would be looking at 1-1500K off list price, maybe.....

http://www.alfaromeo.co.uk/uk/#/car-models/giulietta

Turismo is bottom spec, then lusso then veloce then cloverleaf. The lusso is the luxury spec (italian translation = luxury) whereas the Veloce (italian translation = Rapid) is more heading towards sport spec. Check the link above for more info.

All i can say is take a test drive, i did and was blown away, i currently had a scirocco at the time, and its blown that car away in expectations!!

[DANQV2]

want some good ideas of colour wheels and spec look at the forums cars

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/motor...ge-thread.html

[KrisW]

They're the two most-powerful petrol engines:

QV = Quadrifoglio Verde ("green four-leaf-clover", a designation that Alfa now use mostly for their "Grand-tourer" models). This is the top-of-the-range model. There's one engine choice: a 1.75 turbo petrol, manual 6-speed transmission, 235 bhp and 300 or 340 Nm torque (the difference depends on whether you put the car in "Normal" or "Dynamic" mode).

MA = MultiAir - MultiAir is actually a technology, not an engine: it's air-managment system with infinitely-variable valve-timing. On the Giulietta, there's one engine with MultiAir: a 1.4 turbo petrol, with 6-speed manual, or 6-speed dual dry-clutch transmission (called TCT). It produces 170 bhp.

Typical MPG figures for the 1.4 TCT version in particular are pretty far from the reported figures, mainly because the way you can drive this engine is so different to the way it is driven in the tests. Real-world figures for manual and TCT are very similar, with the TCT being better; but the disappointment is because the TCT measures far better than the manual in the official tests.


Sportiva ("sporting") = Sport + (the same trim as the QV model)
Veloce ("fast") = Sport
Lusso ("Luxury") = Comfort

(...Italian car naming is surprisingly banal when you translate the names )

140 Diesel is 6-speed manual only, 170 Diesel is both manual and TCT. The smaller 1.6 Diesel is manual only (Don't overlook this engine - despite the low peak power, it produces a lot of torque that makes it feel quite fast).

[DANQV2]

Kris you dont have a Giulietta ?

Have you driven one ,and if so how does it compare to the 147? Must admit you know your alfas

[hodge1984]

I just recently picked up a Diesel 170 Lusso from Chelmsford AMC, gave me a reasonably good deal, and staff were helpful.

I wanted speed and economy, so the 170 diesel was the obvious choice for me. Lusso vs Veloce was a more difficult choice.
I went for Lusso because while it may not be as sporty (I drive on roads, not race tracks), it's a comfier ride, plus has some practical extras the Veloce doesn't have as standard; auto wipers, rain sensors, parking sensors. On top of that the Veloce is more expensive. For me personally, it was a no brainer.

[TonyGr]

I too went for the Lusso on similar basis to Hodge but with the 1.4 multiair. My mileage did not justify a diesel. Don't make the mistake of thinking the Veloce is a Lusso plus extras they are different. The starting point is the tourismo then both the Lusso and Veloce are Tourismo plus extras but different extras. You need to sit down with the brochure look at the two specs and the QV and decide what it is you want from your car.

[essexromeo]

Many thanks for reply, just test drove a 170 auto veloce and a 140 manual veloce
not sure about auto i think i liked it ????
found seats very uncomfortable are lusso better ???

[JamesL]

I believe the standard seats are the same but not 100%. You can add electric lumbar support or upgrade to half/full leather from the standard cloth seats.

I have a 170 Lusso on order. My only concern is the seats if I'm honest - felt a little bench like, and don't hug like the seats in my current car.

[Tirreni]

I've got the electric full leather option and I find them pretty comfy to be honest. OK you don't sink into them as you might do with some, but having done a few tweaks to the various adjustments I have no aches and pains after a journey, and all the controls/pedals are easily to hand.

[DANQV2]

i just did 300mile journey at the weekend i found the seats adequate, yes they re not the most hugging in the world, my scirocco seats hugged you like a mummy, you just were bolted in....

These theyre above average, but i still beleive the QV should of came in a more bolstering seat.

But i can say there is absolutely NO problem with seating/driving position, as noted with popular critic reviews, as with lack of foot rest...... there just isnt a problem.

Dont go for the 1.4tb i had that as a hire car, and it was very spongy and a little underwhelming, im sure the diesel, MA & QV are much better alternatives. Hasnt the Veloce got the part leather seats over the full cloth Lussos? Also i must vouch for the Alfa visibility pack great & unlike other marques (vw) it works a treat!!

Where did you go to TD?

[KrisW]

Kris you dont have a Giulietta ?

Have you driven one ,and if so how does it compare to the 147? Must admit you know your alfas

Hi Dan. You're right - I had to decide between buying a house and buying a Giulietta, and the house won. It turned out to be a house that then needed a new bathroom, plumbing, decoration... ah, the list goes on...

I've driven the 1.6 diesel, 1.4 TB, 1.4 MultiAir, 2.0 diesel, but not the QV (the Irish road tax system makes the QV a very expensive purchase). Bizarrely, the 140 diesel and either TCT model are not on sale in Ireland, so I haven't driven those, which is a shame as I'm actually looking to get a TCT of one flavour or another when "replace the car" hits the top of the to-do list.

Compared to the 147, the Giulietta is a much more comfortable, more refined kind of a car, but in some ways it loses the "big car in a smaller size" feel that the 147 had. The 147's steering is more responsive (it's hydraulic, rather than the Giuli's electric system), but the Giulietta has a tighter turning circle. Ride quality on the Giulietta is superb, where the 147 was always a little bit too firmly-sprung. The Giulietta is also a faster car, by quite a bit (even where there's the same power, the Giulis have much higher torque) and it is quieter too. A couple of the Giuliettas I've driven seemed to have had more road and tyre noise than my 147 does, but that's probably down to tyres (I use Michelin, which are very quiet, even after a few thousand miles), and the lack of wind or other noise in the Giulietta to hide that tyre-noise.

On the downside - you can't customise a Giulietta as much as you could a 147; 147 had better materials, particularly on the door trim (but Giulietta is better built); and like all new cars, the Giulietta's high doors and bonnet make it a very dark place in comparison to a car like the 147. 147 also has a footrest; but then, so do the TCT Giuliettas.

If I changed to a Giulietta tomorrow, the only things I'd really miss from my 147 are the light-coloured interior, and the wooden steering wheel -- don't laugh until you've tried one - I find it way more comfortable than the normal leather wheel. (although on that interior, I'm half thinking of getting the car custom-trimmed after delivery, because once you take our crazy car purchase taxes into account, it may actually be cheaper than the factory leather)

[Gruff]

The Real MPG I'm getting from my 170JTDM Veloce is in this thread;

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...onomy-n-d.html (Fuel economy (N/D))

I drove the 1.6 Lusso and the 2.0 (170) Veloce.

The Lusso had the toys but the Veloce dealt with the bumps better if it is a little firmer. Less rebound. I found the Lusso to be too soft for my tastes.

Coming from a Leon Sport, I found the seats less 'hugging' but that doesn't necessarily matter on a commute. the driving position is also straighter. in other words, my feet aren't pointing at the grille badge.

[Plasma]

Good review here:

Alfa Romeo Giulietta TCT first drive | It's Got Wheels

[pralognan]

JTD170TCT with 18" wheels and air con set auto is doing 45mpg for the first 5 tankfulls brim to brim and
odometer miles.Not over 90mph but one speeding fine so far! The test report by plasma is very fair.
I went for lusso (ride) 18"(handling and appearance) full leather seats and have no regrets.Go for it!
Equivalent Golf is dearer and duller but a good car,BMW 1 is good but the proportions are all wrong.
BMW 3 good but dearer again. Over to you!

[Chris Cousins]

The 170 diesel is about a grand more (list price) than the 140 diesel.

But a remap on a 140 diesel, giving 170 bhp, is supposed to be about £300.

I'd have thought discounts would be available, although the quarter end for Alfa was 30th June so if you want a deal I'd suggest waiting for the end of the month and buying from stock.

[KrisW]

In all honesty, unless you drive on unrestricted autobahns, you'll never need the extra 30 bhp, and the torque figures are identical. The major reason to take a 170 over a 140 is if you wanted the TCT box, which is not available on the smaller-powered engine.

[Munich_to_Turin]

There is no significant difference between Veloce and Cloverleaf trim. Brakes and Engine aside it's the same spec and you can get the brakes thrown in. Ride height seems to be the same in some cases too bizarrely.

[stevepen]

Originally Posted by Munich_to_Turin

There is no significant difference between Veloce and Cloverleaf trim. Brakes and Engine aside it's the same spec and you can get the brakes thrown in. Ride height seems to be the same in some cases too bizarrely.

As standard the Cloverleaf over the Veloce has:

Tinted windows
Cloverleaf badges
lowered suspension
Red/big brakes
Visability Pack
18" Alloys

The Veloce has Stop/start and can have the TCT

[Munich_to_Turin]

Ah. I stand corrected. I got all that thrown in free. QV badge the exception obviously.

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Originally Posted by Munich_to_Turin

Ah. I stand corrected. I got all that thrown in free. QV badge the exception obviously.

Buy Alfa Green Cloverleaf Badges - Pair | The Official Alfa Romeo Accessories Store. And a bag of cement in the boot!
Lol

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the trims for the Italian market explained,including the new QV effect pack called "Sportiva"


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