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Hi, I have previously had a poor experience with owning a Brera 2.2 S from new but this had a number of build quality and mechanical problems and rather than take Alfa to court with my DEKRA report to reject the car they agreed to pay part of the cost to swap it for an red 2.4 TI Sportwagon, which had problems with tyre wear and the paint falling off if you looked at it for too long, and to be honest the customer service was appalling.

BUT...... I am thinking of trying again, am I mad?

I am looking at the Giuilietta and was hoping for some general advice on the choice of engine (probably diesel), colour and essential options. Its either this or a rather bland Golf or A3.
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Take the QV in 8C Red and you'll be bl**dy satisfied .
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Is the build quality as good as a a golf/a3? No. Will it give you miles more satisfaction despite the fact that it'll rattle, the sun visors don't stay in position and the gear knob will fall off? Yes! You know it makes sense.....
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NO you are not mad, its a great car and the customer care has really been overhauled big time (way overdue) the MA engine is superb and to be honest i have not driven the diesel models. Go on you know it makes sense
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My oppinion is that if you are only looking for a quality, then take Audi/BMW or sth like that. Maybe even Citroen DS4 which I think is of high quality car.

If you want the best looking car in Medium Segment, you should take Giulietta although there will be certain problems and certain visits at the dealer.
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The only "problem" I had so far is that a few times the back wiper didn't want to work. Oh, and I also asked them to adjust front doors a bit - it wasn't perfect fit. That's all.
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I had never had an alfa before this one but was nervous given the reputation, like you encountered, and nonsense that was spouted by pub experts (my mates) that also had never had one.
I have absolutely no doubts in my mind that I made the right decision.
Originally was going for an A3 and my wife was adamant that was the car to get until she seen the Guillietta. Now every time I see someone driving one I pity them. I used to love the Audi brand in the 80's & 90's but it has been hijacked by {insert comment here}
Golf was just to dull to look at. Nice inside but didn't even bother taking it for a test drive as once I realised how much I'd need to spec it up to get something decent it still looked dull dull dull

The only other car that came close was the Lexus ct200h but don't drive in town enough to justify lugging the batteries about everywhere. That's a cracking car inside but the looks are nowhere near as pleasing as the Guillietta.

I came back from the pub the other night, a few beers to the good, and stood in my street just looking at it and felt so happy that's the car I got. Very sad I know but hey, it's my money I was spending and how it makes you feel is as important as anything.

On the diesel engine front I opted for the 140bhp as was more in my price bracket especially when considering that its 30 a year tax. Until Osbourne probably changes it!!!
The head had to rule on something and that's why I opted for that rather than the Multi Air, which did actually put a bigger smile on my face when driving. The twin exhausts on the diesel did kind of help me accept that choice.
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I know many who own German cars and they are not all that impressed. One has a new VW Polo, back to the dealer 7 times. A BMW 5 series on its 2nd autobox. Not always 100% perfect.
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It's not a big hassle to get twin exhaust on the MA - I've got one .
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My oppinion is that if you are only looking for a quality, then take Audi/BMW or sth like that. Maybe even Citroen DS4 which I think is of high quality car.
I wanted to like the DS4, and it has a really nice cabin, but it's nowhere near to the Giulietta in terms of technology (suspension, drivetrain, engines) or comfort. I was disappointed. It's also much more of a "crossover" style car than it looks in photos, which is another turn-off for me.

A3 should be off anyone's list until the new one comes along next year. The current A3 was never a good car IMO - overly hard with lifeless steering, and everything's an option on an already saucy base price. The new BMW 1 is good, but it's also very expensive: the entry 116i 120bhp is 20,000 where the equivalent Giulietta (1.4TB 120bhp) is only 17,000, with similar emissions/tax. Sure, it might be better, but is it nearly 20% better?

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I am looking at the Giuilietta and was hoping for some general advice on the choice of engine (probably diesel), colour and essential options. Its either this or a rather bland Golf or A3.
If it's a choice between a Golf, A3, and Giulietta, then it's the Giulietta by a nose from the Golf. The VW is the safe option and its diesel is quieter at standstill than the Alfa's (when driving, there's no difference). Plus, if you buy a Golf, you won't have to explain why you bought one. But, and this is a big "but": the Giulietta is more fun, it's more comfortable (yes, really), and it has better performance.

Engines: If it's diesel you need, then don't discount the 1.6 - it's a fine engine, and pretty well priced too. It might be "only" 105 bhp, but it has a good healthy torque, and well delivered, so it picks up well. It's also quite capable of cruising at over 90mph without you noticing (luckily the cops weren't on the road that day!). The 2.0 is a little coarser, but also more powerful. The 140 bhp 2.0 sneaks in under the important 120g/km limit, but... so does the dual-clutch auto 170 bhp model. Both the 140 and 170 have the same torque, so there shouldn't be a huge difference in "real-world" driving performance. (I haven't tried the 140, though - it's not offered in Ireland).

My order is going to be for a 170CV 2.0 diesel with dual-clutch auto, unless the transmission turns out to be a complete dog when I drive it (This is very unlikely, based on initial reviews).

Colours - I absolutely love Etna Black: in low light it looks like deep, high-gloss black, but when it catches the sun, it flashes red. The darker of the metallic grey (Magnesio?) looks good too, especially with red leather interior.

Options - a lot the useful stuff is already standard, so you won't add many unless you want some luxury. I'm going for leather, and the electrically-adjustable seats (as my wife will also be driving the car), and staying with the standard 16" wheels because of the mountain roads between our house and my in-laws' place.

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better performance.

Engines: If it's diesel you need, then don't discount the 1.6 - it's a fine engine, and pretty well priced too. It might be "only" 105 bhp, but it has a good healthy torque, and well delivered, so it picks up well. It's also quite capable of cruising at over 90mph without you noticing (luckily the cops weren't on the road that day!). The 2.0 is a little coarser, but also more powerful. The 140 bhp 2.0 sneaks in under the important 120g/km limit, but... so does the dual-clutch auto 170 bhp model. Both the 140 and 170 have the same torque, so there shouldn't be a huge difference in "real-world" driving performance. (I haven't tried the 140, though - it's not offered in Ireland).

I have 1.6 diesel. Its extremely strong engine for only 105 hp and can be very economical if you drive it nicely. There is also the biggest difference between N and D mode with this engine.

YOu can also check this site: Automobile-Catalog.com, the complete catalog of cars with full specifications, performance & technical data

They quote 9.9 (0-100km/h) for 1.6 diesel instead of 11.3 seconds as is factory claimed.
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I wanted to like the DS4, and it has a really nice cabin, but it's nowhere near to the Giulietta in terms of technology (suspension, drivetrain, engines) or comfort. I was disappointed. It's also much more of a "crossover" style car than it looks in photos, which is another turn-off for me.
1.6 THP is a very decent engine and with both the MultiAir and the TBi not being something extremely enjoyable I'd say there's at least a tie here. Don't know about the diesels, but HDIs are also quite highly rated. I didn't even drive one since the crossover stuff put me off completely.

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The new BMW 1 is good, but it's also very expensive: the entry 116i 120bhp is 20,000 where the equivalent Giulietta (1.4TB 120bhp) is only 17,000, with similar emissions/tax. Sure, it might be better, but is it nearly 20% better?
As opposed to A3, with the BMW you actually get what you pay for - RWD, longitudinal engine, 50:50 weight distribution etc. Too bad it's so butt ugly and German in the first place. Still, would be on my Top 3 list (along with the DS4).


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staying with the standard 16" wheels because of the mountain roads
Trust me, roads in Poland are far worse and it's possible to use 17" here. Sport Pack is a MUST whichever trim you pick and it comes with 17" as standard. Personally, I'd say the 16"s are spoiling the looks of the car quite strongly.
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My Giulietta has yet to give me any problems, and the build quality should be up from older Alfas anyway. Would be curious to see some statistics on how Guilietta compares with the latest Golf...
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The only "problem" I had so far is that a few times the back wiper didn't want to work.
I thought my back wiper was broken until I realised it only comes on if you've first used the front wipers...quite a clever system as the back wiper is sort of automatic too if you leave it turned on all the time.
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I thought my back wiper was broken until I realised it only comes on if you've first used the front wipers...
You sure?! Gotta check this... Would be strange anyway. Didn't see anything about it in the manual.
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Yes. I have a 1.4MA in Lusso spec so I have the auto wipers/lights and I assume you will need this feature fitted...And thinking about it just now perhaps the front wipers also need to be set to Auto position?

Examples: If I turn the engine on and switch rear wiper on it won't work. Switch off rear wiper again, then wipe front wipers. Then try rear wiper again and it works.

Also noticed that if the front wipers are on continuously the rear wiper comes on very frequently. If the rain eases and the front wipers go intermittent, the rear wiper also decreases in frequency of wipes.

Very OCD of me to notice this I know, but I really like it! :-)


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I also have the auto wipers. Will have to check it.
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Thanks for all of the comments, sorry for the late reply. My take from all of the comments is that there are no major problems with the Giulietta and on paper the performance and economy compare well to other makes, (unlike my 2.2 Berea and 2.4 Ti). The other half thinks it looks a bit OTT, in fact she called it chavy!! but she has always preferred Audi.
I love my current DSG 1.8 TSi, (even if the whole gearbox and mechatronic were replaced under warranty), so I think that the TCT may be for me so I am leaning towards the 1.4 multiair rather than the diesel now, probably a Lusso with some extras (maybe less chavy than the veloce so would keep the other half happy).
I will keep you informed.

BTW this will be a company car so I am not so worried about any issues that may (will) come up.
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