Sick of waiting

Perreby · #1 (**Post Link**) 04-04-12

Sick of "trawling" the web for any news or "new" info on this car..

Autoedizione seems to deliver updates regularly but its all rumours. I want facts!

I want this car! TODAY!!!

doctac60 · #2 (**Post Link**) 04-04-12

same as you. . want to hear new updates and see new pics. .

stuartmunn · #3 (**Post Link**) 05-04-12

Patience grasshopper...

It means they are working on it instead of talking about it !

monkeybrain1234 · #4 (**Post Link**) 05-04-12

ricky1750 · #5 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Just to tease you a little bit more

Marchionne stated again, after the Viper presentation, that the 4C is going on... presentation at september, on sale next year.
Need patience

Perreby · #6 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Yes autoedizione reported about an hour ago that the 4C will show up at 2013 Detroit motor show.. And the production version will be shown in September at Paris!

Time cant move fast enough now

Just look at that rear

ricky1750 · #7 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Rear is fantastic.. it should remain pretty much the same except the light (will use the MiTo ones). The front (which i'm not so entusiasth of) will be changed, or at least the front lights will... but no more details on that.. i really hope the front will be more aggressive than the prototype one, i'd like something more toward the new Viper's front end.. also the side should stay pretty much the same, except for the air intake which will be redesigned... engine seems to be confirmed to be the new alluminium 1750@240 HP, weight should be at 920kg.
These are the rumors in the last days in italy.

Perreby · #8 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Weight is a little higher than initially planned..

I heard from an Alfa Romeo source that:

Rear will have MiTo/8C lights
Air intake will change
The blue slivers around headlights wont be there
The rear wont have the "petal" style lights
But the engines I was told is the curreny 1750TBi as in the Giulietta QV (bottom of range engine), then the new Aluminum 1.8l 300bhp for a "GTA" version!

I love everything about this car.. Including the front end

ricky1750 · #9 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Originally Posted by Perreby

Weight is a little higher than initially planned..

Yes, not by too much though (btw, weights seem to be the biggest problem to handle)

Originally Posted by Perreby

I heard from an Alfa Romeo source that:

Rear will have MiTo/8C lights
Air intake will change
The blue slivers around headlights wont be there
The rear wont have the "petal" style lights
But the engines I was told is the curreny 1750TBi as in the Giulietta QV (bottom of range engine), then the new Aluminum 1.8l 300bhp for a "GTA" version!

They have probably decided to use just one engine in two steps... also, the new alluminium engine should shave some weight compared to the old one.

Perreby · #10 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Originally Posted by ricky1750

Yes, not by too much though (btw, weights seem to be the biggest problem to handle)

They have probably decided to use just one engine in two steps... also, the new alluminium engine should shave some weight compared to the old one.

I was told a weight saving of 30kgs over the current TBi.. So perhaps use the new engine.. One mapped to 240bhp, the other more 300bhp..

The gearbox? A new TCT? Current one wont manage with that power?

ricky1750 · #11 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Originally Posted by Perreby

The gearbox? A new TCT? Current one wont manage with that power?

It is reported to be a TCT... there have been rumors that will be a different TCT because the one use on the Giulietta seem not to fit for a RWD, torque wise should be fine.

Perreby · #12 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Amazing how excited I get about any little bit of news about this car...

Had my google alert for the 4C removed.. To stop me from my obsession with this car.

Will now patiently wait till I can order one

ricky1750 · #13 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

You should not wait too much... seems to be confirmed that some final news should be here before the end of the year...

davidjwbailey · #14 (**Post Link**) 07-04-12

Noooooooo

920kg?
Only 240bhp?
<pretends to cry>

jwq · #15 (**Post Link**) 09-04-12

For those who can't wait, just saw a model

:
(Autoshop Het Stuurwiel )

http://www.looksmartmodels.com/our-collection.php

http://www.looksmartmodels.com/scheda.php?id=721

00Alfa Andy · #16 (**Post Link**) 09-04-12

I pick up our new Mito last week and ask the guy at Northgate dealers about the 4C, he said this car will be priced around £55,000 now, seems like Alfa won't be selling it at the £35,000 mark after all.

ricky1750 · #17 (**Post Link**) 09-04-12

lots of speculations about the price... 34k was something hard to believe... last voices are between 53k and 70k taxes included

Perreby · #18 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Topgear reported from the start the car will cost around £45 000.. So we will have to wait and see.

They cant make the car to expensive otherwise people are gonna go and buy Porsches for the same kind of money...

ricky1750 · #19 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Originally Posted by Perreby

Topgear reported from the start the car will cost around £45 000.. So we will have to wait and see.

Yes, i think there's not much more to do... my guess is nobody knows really how much it will cost, not even Alfa Romeo: the main problem they have in developing the car is indeed keeping the weight, performance and price around the target price they had at he beginning.
45K + taxes is indeed something in the 50ish.. and you are not going to find much (if anything) at around that price that matches the promised performances

Originally Posted by Perreby

They cant make the car to expensive otherwise people are gonna go and buy Porsches for the same kind of money...

That's exactly my though when someone reported the 70K price.... you cannot make it as expensive (italian prices) as a Cayman R, 20K more expensive than a 1M and over 10K more expensive than an M3 and think people will buy it (well, at least not in Italy where german cars tend to be much more preferred than italian ones..)

davidjwbailey · #20 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

I'm guessing most of those rumours are just that: rumours.

850kg, 235bhp, £35-45k is absolutely NOT the same as 920kg, 240bhp, £50-70k.

I am not a buyer at 950kg or over £50k, so I'll take my deposit back, reluctantly wave good-bye to the G QV and buy a BMW M3 with a bucket load of options instead. For me this is a "once in a lifetime" / mid-life crisis purchase, and I am in no mood to compromise.

It will still sell, but it cannot possibly do what the car needs to do for ALFA if the latest uninformed chatter has any basis. This car *must* break ALFA into the USA, and be a "halo car" for them. For $110000, savvy modern tech aware US buyers will walk away and go visit their Merecedes dealer for a new SL (and get change).

We also need to remember that (with very few exceptions) dealers know less than journalists, and journalists know only what the PR team tell them, and the PR team don't talk to engineering. Most dealers are mostly trying to get you to buy -today- so they can meet a target. They don't want you to think about a car that might be on sale in a year or two. They need to meet this quarter's target to get paid.

davidjwbailey · #21 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Originally Posted by ricky1750

lots of speculations about the price... 34k was something hard to believe... last voices are between 53k and 70k taxes included

link?

Tracing prices on the web gives us this:
Mar 2011 - £30,000 - £35,000 ($45,000 - $50,000)
Aug 2011 - £38,000 - £40,000
Dec 2011 - £38,000 - £45,000 (€53,000)
Mar 2012 - £45,000 (USA $54,000 - $70,000)

Nothing indicating more than that.

ricky1750 · #22 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Originally Posted by davidjwbailey

I am not a buyer at 950kg or over £50k, so I'll take my deposit back, reluctantly wave good-bye to the G QV and buy a BMW M3 with a bucket load of options instead. For me this is a "once in a lifetime" / mid-life crisis purchase, and I am in no mood to compromise.

Agreed, expecially with the axe on the prices of used supercars (at least here in italy)... a 2003 F360 is now at around 40K... for 50K in 2013 you would most probably able to get an F430

Originally Posted by davidjwbailey

This car *must* break ALFA into the USA, and be a "halo car" for them. For $110000, savvy modern tech aware US buyers will walk away and go visit their Merecedes dealer for a new SL (and get change).

For that prices a US petrolhead would probably buy a Viper...

Originally Posted by davidjwbailey

We also need to remember that (with very few exceptions) dealers know less than journalists, and journalists know only what the PR team tell them, and the PR team don't talk to engineering. Most dealers are mostly trying to get you to buy -today- so they can meet a target. They don't want you to think about a car that might be on sale in a year or two. They need to meet this quarter's target to get paid.

I'm the first one to say that the price rumors i got are pretty much useless and nothing to rely on... it was just to report what's been telling around... but the other details are quite realistic, and are from people either working on the car or directly knowing someone that is working on it (of course remember they cannot tell anything, and may be even be told to say something that is not exactly what's happening...)

Perreby · #23 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Yes i take everything with a pinch of salt.. Even from my source at Alfa Romeo.

Again we will just have to wait and see.

I still think the initial £45,000 that was reported is a good price for this car.. Its not overly cheap that everyone can just buy one, but its not more expensive than the cars they pitting it against...

Im happy with 920kgs if there is a high output engine (300bhp)..

cue2 · #24 (**Post Link**) 10-04-12

Originally Posted by jwq

For those who can't wait, just saw a model :
(Autoshop Het Stuurwiel )

Look Smart Models - Our collection

Model car Alfa Romeo 4C Concept Frankfurt Motor Show 2011

Beautiful model .No mention of price on their site ?