Greetings to you all! Here goes my first thread!
I know this topic has been brought up several times, but if it's already solved... either I've forgotten and I can't find any information here, or a clear conclusion has never been reached. I've gathered all the info I could before opening this thread, and while most of it is inaccurate, the other is very redundant, so I just can't maky anything of it.
It turns out that I bought my Alfa 33 as a cloverleaf, and a long time ago (shortly after buying it), I asked an expert (back at the Spanish forum) to check if it was true or not by giving him my chassis number. I have seen numerous cases in which some people (globally, even) call "cloverleaf" to any mk3 16v model, as if there were no difference, and I wonder if this forum member made the same mistake back then. I will later explain why.
First of all, I assume that it is wrong to confuse an "Alfa 33 16v" with an "Alfa 33 16v QV" and viceversa, because the workshop manual states that they are two different versions, no matter how many similarities they share. I understand that they are sooo much alike, that most people don't even bother distinguishing them, but let's all assume they are, for now.
In this first image, we can see where the identification plates of the car are.
And this is, theoretically, the data that should appear in them. As you can see, the plate of a 16v is exactly like the one on a cloverleaf.
Here we can see how to interpret the chassis number. In it, we can only see the type number of the vehicle, and its serial number (apart from the brand, which is now irrelevant). That which we saw identical between the 16v and QV in the previous image is what appears in the chassis number.
Therefore, it would be impossible to distinguish a 16v from a QV only by the chassis number, am I right? I can't recall if I gave that expert I contact years ago anything other than the chassis number (which is most likely, but as I said earlier, one of the possible reasons of me having this doubt is that I can't remember the answer...).
Then, searching and searching differences, I found that in dimensions, the cloverleaf is 2 millimeters wider on each side of the rear axle than the 16v. This is pretty clear, assuming that the workshop manual isn't wrong.
The first thing I thought was; "ok, it may be the rims"... But searching a little deeper, in this image you can see that the rims are exactly the same for 16v and QV, so that can't be it.
In this image you can see a schematic of the identification plate of the car. As I said, everything else is the same for a 16v and a QV. The only thing I coulnd't check is the "version" box. Sorry, but my 33 is nowhere near me... Anyway, I ask myself... If it were a cloverleaf, should it have a small clover after the name like in the workshop manual? In theory, it should. 16vs should have "BOXER 16V" written in there, and QVs the same, only with the clover.
But, if it is nothing like that... The only way to distinguish a 16v from a cloverleaf would be... measuring the rear axle?
Isn't that a bit weird?
As you can see, the manual mentions both versions constantly as two different versions, despite their numerous similarities. I have also found lots of people who had no idea about these two distinctions, so they might also be interested in this thread!
Cheers to all. Help me solve this question once and for all! Thanks in advance!