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Well I hope you wont have to wait so long for the 6C to come back !
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It must be quicker and cheaper to just get an exterminator in and kill the the little feckers, as least then you can get on with it.
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Finally the auto electrician has started on untangling my efforts but he needs to get hold of another wiring diagram so hopefully........ I should have more news this week......
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Finally ! Thats great news Philip ! Keep us posted
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i hate electrics hope he can sort it all for you, and quick
 
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Sorry to dwell on the angle of the subject but. I feel the electrician must be a source of education for the uneducated,and hopefully Sixnut will be able to see the cards these specialist types tend to keep close to their chests .so that especially we dying breed of 164 owners can benefit from the full 6c story FOC.to keep this erstwhile flagship on the road.
We must be grateful that there are still some Alfa Seciailists around like Jamie Porter who are generous with their free advice in the AROC mag and on the Alfa Workshop website.
The DR 164 free download site has been suggested for the Sparks to find wiring diagrams.
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I spoke to the electrician last night and he now has all the diagrams that he needs (thanks for the link "Young Alf") and expects to be able to finish the job next week.
Hopefully I will also be able to get the wasps nest out soon as well!
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Thats great news Philip. Its been long enough !
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At last some progress to report - the electrician has been on the 6C this afternoon and has checked most of the ecu system and it is ok but there is a degree of uncertainty regarding the two Ignition amplifier units and he needs to find which of the four wires should go to the ecu - and the two "identical" modules appear to have different wiring........but he hopes to get it sorted ..... "next week"
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at least they started working on it ! this is a good thing !

Hopefully he can start it as well this week
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GRRRRRRR!!
Well "Next Week" came and went and this week (Today) I had a phone call from the autoelectrician....He is baffled by the Alfa wiring to the Ignition modules and cannot understand how they get their power.....and he is sure that my wiring diagrams are for a different model ecu (An ML7 not a 4.1 or vice versa??).
So I've arranged to get the car trailered back home early next week.
What a waste of three months....
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damn time wasters.
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I dont understand ! You took those wires off the same car you took the engine from , right ?

Trailer it back home ? How are you going to start it if you do that Philip ?
Shouldnt you find someone else to do this job for you ?
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Aftermarket ECU time?
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Aftermarket ECU time?
Has crossed my mind as well...
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Triple 40DCNFs!

Seriously though, sorry to hear there's been no progress after 3 months. I must confess to being a little concerned, if the electrician hasn't got past identifying the ECU power connections yet

Suggests more like an excuse to me, although black box diagnostics are always a pain. Can you open up the ECU and look at the board layout, or is it just "sealed for life"? You can usually spot power regulators with a quick visual, although I guess with an EFI they would also be required to drive the ignition and injectors too, which could confuse matters

I hope you can find an alternative specialist who is prepared to look at the car. After all this time it must be torture not to be able to hear it running

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We have Bosch centres over here who supposedly can sort these issues out. Anything like that near you sixnut?

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wasp nest in your garage ?
last time I remember there was a bird nest ! Where do they go in from

Dont be brave around wasps Philip. If you disturb their nest they will all attack you at once ! You might as well be playing with a snake with all that poison They can also sting you on top of your clothes or even gloves ! Try spraying them from a good distance or call someone to do it for you !

... can you imagine if they had built their nest in the 6C and notice them while you're driving ?
Good advice, I got stung 7 times on my back through my shirt this summer just a week after getting stung on my foot after stepping on one. Glad I didn't have a reaction, just a bit sore for a while.... I have a nest the size of a grapefruit on my roof which I need to get rid of. Best time is at night as they are dozy and not able to react quickly to an attack. Nasty buggers!!!

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Thanks as ever for all the supportive comments.
Yes it is the loom from the running car but there are two or three connections that I cannot find links for and there is a huge connector which links to the instrument panel loom and rest of car ie ignition and fuel pump etc.
However When I get the car back I will have another long slow look at the system and see what I can do - but there is another electrician that I may try.....The wasps are getting a lot quieter too!
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i hope they didnt charge you as well and didnt do any damage to the ecu while trial and error efforts
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Your electrician could not have been experienced at working on Alfas.A friend of a friend.?
Have a word with Mike Buckler the 164 register technical expert.
He was Gatwick Alfa and sold out to Rusper i believe,
Now in semi retirement,and on Cloverleaf register.he is a real expert but now a bit reclusive.
email snakesandalfas@hotmail.com.can give you more detail if you wish by pm.
Maybe the most cost effective way to solve the problem is to find another 24v 3litre being broken without immobiliser and copy the wiring layout .You would have more spares to sell .
There seem plenty for sale.Tifosi has two .but in Glasgow.Borrow or hire a 164 to compare with perhaps .Thats what the Specialists have to do at times.
Another 164 technical expert is Alfisto Steve of the US Bulletin board He has a fleet of 6 164s.
and totally dedicated to keeping the 164 on the road in the States.
The Alfa GB Customer Service are very helpful and would provide wiring diagrams for a project such as yours.
Nornally these are available through main dealer.
Have email addresses of both if you want.
What have Northants Alfa to say on your predicament.?

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Just to give an update - I'm still waiting for the car to be transported but hopefully it really will be "In the next couple of days" which is what I've heard all week! But I have met with the new Auto-electrician and he is keen to do the car and is well equiped, so he will start next week - but we are going up to see family for a week.......
I must confess to being VERY Frustrated by this sorry saga of non news. But I do have EVERY intention of driving to Stanford Hall in a Sprint 6C................
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Hopefully the new electrician will be able to sort it. Fingers crossed for you Philip
 
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yep, we will all keep our fingers crossed phil, hope the new guy has enough enthusiasm to persist with it all
we need to see (and hear ) your car next year
 
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The questions that must be asked . Has he worked with Alfas?and do you have the 24valve V6 wiring diagram for the 88 pin Minotronic 1.7.system Can he properly test your original ECU that was bombarded by sparks,
I have found the
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