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guys I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused here !

YoungAlf, you seem to be upset with Sixnut for some reason ! Good publicity for Northants Alfa would be to finish Sixnut's 6c !
You would prefer if Sixnut asked for money or free labour because his car is outside their garage ?
Thats the part I didnt understand !!!
If thats the case, and I was in Sixnut's shoes, I would be more than happy if they could finish my car ! Thats the only gain I would like from this move
... also as a member, personally I really dont care that much on who gets publicity and who gets the fame ! I really care about Sixnut finishing his car !

Sorry if I'm a bit straight forward, thats just the way I am
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guys I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused here !

YoungAlf, you seem to be upset with Sixnut for some reason ! Good publicity for Northants Alfa would be to finish Sixnut's 6c !
You would prefer if Sixnut asked for money or free labour because his car is outside their garage ?
Thats the part I didnt understand !!!
If thats the case, and I was in Sixnut's shoes, I would be more than happy if they could finish my car ! Thats the only gain I would like from this move
... also as a member, personally I really dont care that much on who gets publicity and who gets the fame ! I really care about Sixnut finishing his car !

Sorry if I'm a bit straight forward, thats just the way I am

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I'm in a bit of quandary because this thread is about the 6C but people are wanting to know about the "relationship" with Alfa Northants.......so 6C only readers stop here!

When we bought our 156 I looked up our local Alfa specialists in the telephone book and discovered the nearest was "Alfa Northants" and so went to get a quote for cambelts etc. I was pleasantly surprised to see a couple of drag racing photographs and trophys on display. I then found that Jem (the owner) had raced with me in the Rover V8 championship in the 1990's but in the Street Rover when I was in Pro Rover. Anyway they did several jobs on the 156 and when I bought my first Sprint Jem offered the use of his 166 as a tow car for the trailer that I hired. When I bought my second Sprint for the 6C project he kindly let me keep it at the garage until I found "the big shed". When the 164 was bought again he let it stay at the new premises as it was gradually dismantled and he let me use their lift at times and their electricity for my angle grinder. He also let me use the 166 as a tow car when I took the 164 engine and gearbox home and V8 Sprite down to Goodwood. He then let me use his 166 and box trailer to take the remains of the 164 back to my house. I did, of course, put plenty of petrol in the 166 and some "pocket money" each time. (He also let the 156 stay at the garage until it was sold, after the engine went bang, having gone through too deep water)
Naturally I have been extremely grateful for this help and support and have acknowledged it when relevant in this thread -as I have with all the other suppliers, supporters and friends during the course of the build.

I met "YoungAlf" when he bought some 164 parts that I advertised on e-bay and then we met at AlfaNorthants so that he could pick up some other parts. I am pleased to thank him for his support and ready supply of 164 information, cd rom and books.
However he and Jem spoke and it was arranged that as YoungAlf was going to an Alfa gathering he would distribute some "AlfaNorthants" flyers and in return they would have a look at an errant warning light on YoungAlfs 164 (This could have been a simple reset type job). This was done by both parties. But the software at AlfaNorthants was not compatable with the 164 so the light could not be easily fixed.

So I am inadvertantly stuck somewhat in the middle of a disagreement between "YoungAlf" and NorthantsAlfa and I regret (and resent) the fact that my thread has been somewhat hijacked.

However I have, I hope, explained the situation to the best of my knowledge, and I will leave it to others to make their own conclusion...... This is also a natural consequence of the public nature of a "Forum"
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always tricky getting between 2 sides that have both been good to you hope youngalf & northantsalfa get their dispute sorted without involving you too much

obviously we don't know all the details (and it isn't anything to do with us) but looking back at the last post by YA it does seem a bit harsh to critisize NA from what you say they have done for you. all the small little favours they have done over time would have been quite costly if you had had to pay for things like car hire, garage space/parking space etc, so i can see why you feel loyal to "your" local garage

anyway, hope the thread does get back on the "alfa 6c" track now
 
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should we start on cv joints again ) lol
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should we start on cv joints again ) lol
YES!
As I have had no joy trying to get hold of a pair of worn out driveshafts I will strip down the pair that I took off the 6C. Then, using the advice that you gave ( many thanks ) I will get the end off to put back into the hub and retain the bearings in place.
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Sorry for the hijack Sixnut I just thought you were been attacked for one of your desicions/transactions, and it didnt sit well in my stomach

Speaking of which, have you got any updates on the status of the electrics ?
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I will get the end off to put back into the hub and retain the bearings in place.
After completely forgetting that you have outboard brakes, this is the way to go. I do have a pair of spare (inboard brake) driveshafts, but I will probably machine off the ends to make suitable seals for my new design front uprights. I think you can simply gut the outer CV joint leaving an empty cup, which shouldn't add too much to your unspring weight

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Glad its all sorted, as Kev said piggy in the middle is always a pain the the a...

As I said before you could machine the cup off for looks or just gut the end shaft and bolt it in.
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The 6C is still awaiting the autoelectrician so I did a little "Cosmetic" job and got a short length of braiding from my friendly "Couger Hydraulics" and slipped it over the original black rubber tube. As this fits across the back of the engine at the back, when the hatch was open it didn't look too pretty before.
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To get my 6c contribution back on track I have despatched the correct 164 bosch Ecu for the V6 to Sixnut which has been tested by specialist Avilec and is offered with my compliments for causing any resentment.
My only wish is that the full electrical history of the project is recorded.
It was a wise decision to use a relatively simple 164 engine management system by todays standards.
but sadly now being removed from diagnostic software packages that are hired by some Specialists .
Lauren stressed the importance of having the right diagnostic equipment.
Instinct tells me the original Ecu will need extensive repair.
I hope mine will be the one to get the engine running.If not.a working spare will be handy.
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Some thoughts on your CV joint problem:

1) This bloke is selling a 164 24v gearbox - maybe he still has the driveshafts?

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/parts...-for-sale.html

2) We sold a 916 GTV V6 6-speed gearbox to a bloke in America with a 24v 164. The gearbox is a straight fit. We also sent him both driveshafts, don't know if these fit his hubs or not but he wanted them. We also refurbed the gearbox and fitted it with a Q2 diff before it was sent. Maybe the Sprint 6C could be fitted with one of the 6-speed Alfa gearboxes? There are many to choose from and would allow you to have the correct gear ratios for the application the car is intended for, all are equally interchangeable, you could have the lower ratio 6-speed from the 156 2.5 V6, or use the longer-geared 6-speed from either the GTV V6 or 156/147 GTA. You could even use the really long-geared 1.9 JTD 16v 6-speed box, or maybe the 5-speed from the 2.4 JTD 10v. As your Sprint will be much lighter, the longer ratios might not be a bad idea.

All will fit to the 24v V6 engine you are using without modification, your concern is only whether the driveshafts will mate with your hubs.

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Thank you Young Alf - your contributions and understanding are appreciated.
Pud 237 - Thank you also for input but the situation re driveshafts refers to the front Sprint hubs. As the boxer engine has been removed ( no Bi-motor 4.5 litre for me!) I also removed the drive shafts complete but the advice is to put the hub end (stub axle like bit) back in place as it helps to keep the hub bearings located. Your data about gearboxes could prove useful in the future but I'll be using the standard v6 164 box for the time being. As I am using the 164 rear wheels it was a nice relaxed "cruiser" in the 164 but with the lighter 6C we'll have to see.....
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Thats me not reading the thread properly.. After nearly 1100 posts you do tend to skip bits..
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just a thought re the drive shaft ends you need, but as they are the outer brake set up like the 33, then would the early boxer engined 145's be the same? widen the search a bit
 
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ok listem in really sad ...
early 33's or "mk 1" and i think sprints use a cv with 28 splines on the outer section going into the hub, mk2 33's use a later smaller cv joint with 25 splines...

the 145 boxer has the same later type 25 spline cv but also with an abs sensor ring

6nut, you need to count the number of splines in you hub centre / cv joint hole to make sure what ones will go on the sprint, if i had to bet i would go with mk1 33 joints
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Thanks Kev and Kam - I have had no joy (yet) trying to get Sprint/33 driveshafts so I will be dismantling my old ones once the 6C runs - unless others turn up in the meantime
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Philip, I can definately find some in Cyprus if you cant get lucky in the UK. Whichever ones you need ! Just let me know
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Thanks Chris - that's a possible "fall back" position.
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The postman bought a delightful parcel today from "YoungAlf" - a "checked ok" ecu for the 6C so if mine has been fried then I will be able to swop to this one. Many Many Thanks "YoungAlf"

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my apologies sixnut , i could have sworn i had sprint drive shafts , but i have just searched the garage and no shafts, i must off left them on the car when it went to the scap yard in the sky.
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just a trailer.!
before you try again to run the v6 please remember to replace those two front relays .the ecu with diode one and the one for the fuel pump.and get reassurance from your auto electrician that the system is correctly earthed
Hope you sort the driveshaft issue 'would be a shame if the wheels came off on the running road MOT test.
though probably the least likely place to cause harm
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Philip hi, I was just searching through my stuff in the Van, and I found that I have 2 complete driveshafts of the Sud Ti , complete with hubs !
I'm sure you cant use the hubs as then you will also have to change the shock absorbers ( they have different mountings ) but I dont know if you can use the joints of the driveshafts
These were taken out of a sud ti with inboard brakes and they have a bolt to hold them to the hubs instead of a bolt like all my sprints and 33's.
If the channels are the same though you can have them
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