1400 16V rallycar

It lives

132bhp at the flywheel at 6900rpm
98bhp at the wheels
100lbs / ft torque between 5500 and 7500rpm

Dave at Mech-repairs thinks cams are a bit wild for a 1400 suggested that 270 deg cams and some head work will produce same or more power at lower rpm and increase torque throughout. Maybe this winter :roll: ?

Pleased with result

Thanks to everybody who has helped with this project

rsfruitbat

Well done excellent - BHP numbers

looks great, nice and neat installation
is it a bit 'peaky' with all the power up high once had a holbay cam in the old astra rally car which was just too wild for rallying the thing just didn't like running below 3000 revs although once above that it went like a rocket bit awkard for hairpins and the like though where you needed a bit of flexibility. hope yours is a bit more user friendly .
was watching rally fever on sky this week when out of the blue a sud rally car comes into view on a bit of old footage they showed can't remember who and where it was now, and have now deleted it might record it again and have a look. can't recall ever seeing one on the stages myself
good job done

Looks good congrats

sud rally car just been put on ebay, looks pretty well sorted and ready to go

Excellent figures for a 1400...

In the spirit of sharing, here is the last rolling road summary for my 1700 8V that is standard internally and has just ITG filters and some light headwork by Brunswick, it even runs a standard exhaust manifold. This engine must have competed in 200+ races by now without any major rebuild, so I'm happy with the numbers for its age and useage.

106 lb/ft @ 2700 rpm
119 lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
108 lb/ft @ 6300 rpm - 130 bhp @ flywheel here
103 lb/ft @ 6600 rpm

Pleased with results from Mech-motorsport and pleasing to know that he thinks there is more to come from it. Its nice when an idea and a theory actually works and gives good results.
Kevjtd - If the sud had either yellow and blue stripes or light blue /dk blue stripes, both over white it coud be me.
The engine is a bit peaky. At 4000rpm it has 65bhp and 83lb/ft torque, 5000rpm 85bhp and 89lbft and is pretty well on cam by now.
The rally sud is my mates. He has decided to ininto endurance rallying and I couldnt convince him to convert the sud.
VEESIX75 - you can obviously see the benefit of your extra cc's. My bottom end is std crank and rods but with ARP bolts. Heads are std but using Cosworth L1 and BD3 profile cams. Exhaust is a std 16v manifold with the inner pipes cut and shut to fit around the inboard vented discs.
Thanks for all your nice comments

What ECU are you using ? You are running AlphaN or Hybrid AlphaN, right ?

Would it be possible to see your ignition map ?

That's even more impressive with the std internals.

kevjtd...the sud rally car could be your dream car...did you notice that although it has S3 front bumper and spolier, it is actually a S2 as it has a boot ?

I'm sure it was red at one stage, I reckon I bought some sud panels from the owner in Ludlow ?

Fruitbat, I'm confused now... it's not the one with the wild engine he's entering Enduro is it?.
Surely the old twin Carb ban would rule it out?.
I've sort of got a hankering for a Sud to use on those events it's about the only Alfa that would be eligible, but I can't help thinking it might be a bit fragile compared to the more modern stuff.
Love to know how he gets on though.

Originally Posted by veesix75

That's even more impressive with the std internals.

kevjtd...the sud rally car could be your dream car...did you notice that although it has S3 front bumper and spolier, it is actually a S2 as it has a boot ?

I'm sure it was red at one stage, I reckon I bought some sud panels from the owner in Ludlow ?

now then, stop trying get me in the doghouse
although don't think i haven't already thought of it
back to rallying, and in a sud that would be great

ECU is an aftermarket MBE unit. Unfortunately I dont have a copy of the map. Suggest you speak to Dave at Mech-motorsport. They can supply, instal and map system.

Pistons were made to my spec by JE to give 16V top but on an 81.4mm bore piston to give 1399cc. Also raised CR at same time.

Sud used to be red. Owner rebilt last year and put it back into service after being idle for two years. He is going to use a Datsun Cherry for the Enduro stuff. I spoke with the Enduro organiser when it all started and he said he would allow a 1350Ti Sud to compete with the twin carbs.
I rallied the Sud years ago for 12yrs and never found them too fragile . Thats forests and tarmac.

rsfruitbat

Are they single choke carbs?.. scuse my ignorance of Sud mechanicals!.

It's just we can't do (most) night road events with four chokes ie two twin choke Webers. Most Enduro's have a night section so it would rule out a car with more than one cam shaft per bank, and more than two chokes.

You are right about that. They have one cam / bank and a choke / cylinder. I spoke directly to the guy who organised the whole Enduro thing as I was going to do the first Lombard Enduro event 3? yrs ago and he said he wanted variety. If I got the car he would let me use it. All the regs about no mods to the engine etc. still stood.
My other choice was going to be a morris Marina and he said he would lend me the Leyland ST tuning manuals and help me with all the mods he would allow. Sponsor never appeared with the money he promised so it all fell through.
If I was doing it now I found out that they produced a 1350 33 with the twincaarbs but you would have the advantage of a rear handbrake.Regs then said you couldnt have a hydraulic one.

rsfruitbat

Does the Sud handbrake act on the front?, not too good that. Hydraulic Handbrakes would be a useful mod for us, but not many events allow them.

33 might be a bit big compared to the 106's, Nova's etc.. perhaps?

Originally Posted by RSFruitbat

My other choice was going to be a morris Marina

rsfruitbat

Mate of mine rallies an Avenger. It's got Escort running gear at the moment but he's in the process of dropping a Vauxhall red top in there. Last time out he was well up the running order and broke a half shaft on the last stage. Bummer.Check this out Jon Hedison ~ Caroline Hedison ~ Hilman Avenger

My wife has got a classic Marina and that was where I got the idea from . She also has a Scirrocco and I prefer driving the Marina . Underrated car in its day the Marina. Fairly robust and reliable, just got a wimpy engine. Just imagine a BDA in a marina or an 1800 K series . That would turn some heads. Used to know a guy who rallied a brazilian blocked Avenger.

33 might be a bit big. Knowing the money they throw at these things it was only ever going to be a bit of fun and I thought would be different enough but still fairly competitive

rsfruitbat

Originally Posted by kevjtd

was watching rally fever on sky this week when out of the blue a sud rally car comes into view on a bit of old footage they showed

for those who may be interested its repeated on sky sports 3 this sunday night at 7 towards the end of the programme when they show some old footage

Originally Posted by RSFruitbat

My wife has got a classic Marina and that was where I got the idea from . She also has a Scirrocco and I prefer driving the Marina . Underrated car in its day the Marina. Fairly robust and reliable, just got a wimpy engine. Just imagine a BDA in a marina or an 1800 K series . That would turn some heads. Used to know a guy who rallied a brazilian blocked Avenger.

33 might be a bit big. Knowing the money they throw at these things it was only ever going to be a bit of fun and I thought would be different enough but still fairly competitive

rsfruitbat

I think I might leave you with that opinion about Marina's, I hated the things at the time, the company I worked for insisted on inflicting them on people as company cars, nobody wanted them. Mind you I've seen a Marina out on the Events we do and it goes OK really, just looks a right dog wallowing about like a Hippo, sets reasonable times though.

Avenger's are quite competitive too, sort of like a cheap Escort if you get the right bits in them, don't have the style of the Alfa though

I know where you are coming from with the Marina. No great fan to start with, not overflowing with enthusiasm now. Prefer front wheel drive to be honest. What p****** me off to be honest is people making blanket statements about cars before they have even tried them or seen what they can do. Get this occasionally in rallying. Thats different therefore it must be rubbish. Did an event at a place called Enstone years ago. Normally seeded midfield i.e. 40 out of 80. They put us at 79 out of 82. Eventually finished 13th overall.
The historic Alfa's certainly have more panache than my era. but it doesnt stop them being decent cars.

Originally Posted by kevjtd

for those who may be interested its repeated on sky sports 3 this sunday night at 7 towards the end of the programme when they show some old footage

was from the 1987 bournemouth winter rally, a guy called mike butler or buckman (can't quite make it out ) with kevin hawkins in a series 3 ti seeded at number 60