sorted, the tw@s who did the four wheel alignment left the rears toeing in, BY 11 MINUTES!! that is a long long way, i adjusted it up using the very same TCL guage that Noah used to do the tracking on "the ark", so goes the story anyway

and now it's tons better, and the steering wheel is straight, so each rear wheel was trying to steer the back end of the car, in a different direction.
Wont use them again.