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Re: When is 160BHP not 160BHP?

The weight of cars just goes on increasing in spite of some effort within the engineering departments to keep it down. Weight=cost for the manufacturer in a big way. What manufacturers are very good at is looking over their shoulders and sideways more than forwards, so if maker X gets 4 stars in NCAP then Y goes for 5. Net result=mass, never mind tricks like exploding bonnet hinges to get gold stars for pedestrian performance.
Who gives them the idea this is what people want when they decide what to buy?
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Re: When is 160BHP not 160BHP?

Wrenched, you said it!

Its not about how great a car they could make for 4 stars and 200 kilos less, its about X and Y having 5 star rating and this and that.

I think the 159 however is really a family pitched car and for Mr & Mrs young family safety vs performance is always a difficult one.

However as I understand it the Brera has the same weight issues however, and its definetly aimed at a market that does not contain child seats...
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Don't write off the 2.4 159, I admit when they are new the performance is really disappointing but if you give the engine 10k miles it really loosens up and pulls well. Add a remap (+50 bhp) and it flies.

I've always wanted an Alfa but thought the quality of the interior plastics and the overall feel of the brand was cheap. The 159 was the first to make me get out of my Audi & although the quality still isn't as good it still handles well and makes me feel good when I drive it. If they wanted to steal sales from the Germans they've suceeded. All they need to do now is build on the quality and shave 200kg off the kerb weight.

Also, the problem with the 159 is the "Premium" platform it's based on which it developed with Saab under GM is too heavy. It has nothing to do with safety etc - they dropped a bollock when they designed it.

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Originally Posted by Gary Slegg View Post
Thanks for your views Tobes. A number of people have said the diesel is better than the JTS, so its good to hear another perspective
Having returned from the dealers with a 159 petrol 1.9 courtesy car(2.4's in for notchy 'box) got to say it felt quite accomplished with pretty good pulling power around 70 etc.relaxed ride and did'nt really feel underpowered,with a slightly more nimble attitude
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Thanks for your thoughts Alfa1953
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You understand that the "pure" alfisti are not so many to keep such a company alive (remember that the FIAT Group was close to bankrupcy) and if the 159 was a failure Alfa could even close. It was a huge investment for them to develop this car, and obviously it was aimed to everybody, including BMW or Audi buyers. So built quality and safety was top priority, and then performance. It is heavy, and even the 2.2JTS which was the most I could afford, with 180bhp is not a sports car for sure. However with its amazing handling and good brakes you can drive fast. At least faster than VWs, Audis, Mercs or BMW at the same price. In addition it looks great and feels better than any Alfa ever did (quality wise). But even now almost everybody I know asked "are you crazy to buy an Italian car? Don't they have problems?" - and its 2007! I just hope with this car they manage to get over this and improve the "pride of ownership" of the Alfa brand. They deserve it, and I think they are on the right track, even though it seem they will loose some "alfisti" on the way.
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