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17.50 euros! that price was all in, VAT, pay-pal surcharge (8 euro) delivery and parts. at today's exchange rate its something like 578.38. absolute bargain.

Now, as long as my local indie doesn't dick around on the fitting fee, it should be a reasonable cost all in.
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I'm watching your thread closely - pls report how handling changed. I'm with std TI and have impression that the rear springs got squished - from centre hub to fender only 34 cm - and this thing is really low
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Will do Jack. I plan on measuring before and after and will do a proper review on the changes in ride and handling characteristics.
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It's arrived!

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that bl00dy enormous !

when the fitting ?
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Its being fitted now! Didn't even open it, just dived round to my local Indie and dropped off the keys. They said it will either be done by the end of today or tomorrow, including a Hunter 4 wheel alignment.

Result!
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Might be worth a look at koni sports adjustables

Maybe like this?

http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?a=i&p=3211401362&part=Alfa-Romeo-159-Sport-Estate-incl-Q4-2-4-JTDM-Koni-Sport-Adjustable-Suspension-Kit-with-H-R-Springs
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Thats what I put on mine 2 weeks ago with Eibach springs from Alfisti. Set them to medium and lowered the car by 30mm all round.

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Might be worth a look at koni sports adjustables

Maybe like this?

Koni Suspension Kit - Sport Adjustable with H&R Springs for Alfa Romeo - larkspeed.com
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Its being fitted now! Didn't even open it, just dived round to my local Indie and dropped off the keys. They said it will either be done by the end of today or tomorrow, including a Hunter 4 wheel alignment.

Result!
Ohhhhh ! How excited must you be ?

Any news or have you got to wait untill tomorrow now, or you could be out having fun.
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Phoned them earlier, this is the exact quote:

"That's some serious kit you bought! We have all the struts off at the minute and Chris, (the tech working on it) only just managed to compress the springs!"

This apparently turned into a massive debate about stiffness and usability vs the weight of the car!

I am quite nervous that its going to be hard as rock, but am hoping the fact that the 2.4 is a bloater will go some way towards the perceived stiffness of this setup on the bench!

What I do know is that the OE shocks and Springs, at nearly 5 years old and 80K miles are very crashy and harsh at times anyway, so anything will be an improvement!


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Must admit after swopping mine I bit the bullet and bought a new upgraded spring compressor kit.

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Knowing that I want to swop all the top mounts out for new, which are on order when Fiat pull thier finger out.

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I'm very curious about the results!
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Must admit after swopping mine I bit the bullet and bought a new upgraded spring compressor kit.
This is the reason I try and limit my DIY. Last time I thought, "I will have a crack at that" I built this:

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Although it only cost me 50 in wood, it cost me 350 in routers, jigsaws, sanders and benches!

Spoke to the garage, the fronts are on, but they are arguing with a bolt on the rears that is "in the wrong way round" or something else typically Alfa.

Hopefully they will have it done by 1pm when they shut, or it will spill into next week. Not looking good for a cheap install at the minute
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This is the reason I try and limit my DIY. Last time I thought, "I will have a crack at that" I built this:

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Although it only cost me 50 in wood, it cost me 350 in routers, jigsaws, sanders and benches!

Spoke to the garage, the fronts are on, but they are arguing with a bolt on the rears that is "in the wrong way round" or something else typically Alfa.

Hopefully they will have it done by 1pm when they shut, or it will spill into next week. Not looking good for a cheap install at the minute
Brilliant We've all been there.

For some unknown reason Alfa in thier ultimate wisdom changed the way the bottom bolt goes through the rear arm. I'm lucky my bolt goes in from the outside by the sounds of it you have the later type that goes in from the inside. Which is a PITA as there not quite enough room to take the bolt out straight as it fouls on the arm. So it turns a 20 minute job in to a whole world of hurt.
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That's the one! Popped over to see it on the ramps and they showed me it. Exactly as you described!! Will be ready Monday lunch now because of that little piece of intelligent design!!!

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Still very much a work in progress!
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Thats a smart workshop, love the tiled floor
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Yep, I had the one that fits inside and it was pain in the A*** but as you say, a bit of perseverence managed to move it sufficiently to remove and replace the rears! It will be worth the wait though

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Brilliant We've all been there.

For some unknown reason Alfa in thier ultimate wisdom changed the way the bottom bolt goes through the rear arm. I'm lucky my bolt goes in from the outside by the sounds of it you have the later type that goes in from the inside. Which is a PITA as there not quite enough room to take the bolt out straight as it fouls on the arm. So it turns a 20 minute job in to a whole world of hurt.
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That's the one! Popped over to see it on the ramps and they showed me it. Exactly as you described!! Will be ready Monday lunch now because of that little piece of intelligent design!!!

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Still very much a work in progress!
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Its Back!

First things first. It feels great, not at all harsher than OE, but it feels so much more planted on the road. not bumpy, and much more refined than the OE suspension.

I will give some proper feedback after I have done some miles in her, for now, here are the salient cosmetic points:

The measurements:
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Before vs after - side profile:
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Front & Rear Before:
OSR Before_resize.JPG OSF Before_resize.JPG

Front & Rear After:
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Good info there, car looks great
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Looks great! Do you mind me asking how much fitting was....
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My local indie charged me 300 all in but it should have cost more as it was a pig of a job and they also gave it a 4 wheel hunter alignment worth 100 on its own and threw in a luxury valet !

They are good to me there!!
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Jaba, thanks for the update and photos. Your measurements actually confirm my suspicion that the rear original springs sag significantly more than supposed 20mm drop from factory. Could anyone with original non-TI springs send their measurements? (from centre of the hub). Also, your sides were unbalanced as well...

Let us know how you see the clearance issues on the road. Mine scrapes a lot...
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Jaba, thanks for the update and photos. Your measurements actually confirm my suspicion that the rear original springs sag significantly more than supposed 20mm drop from factory. Could anyone with original non-TI springs send their measurements? (from centre of the hub). Also, your sides were unbalanced as well...

Let us know how you see the clearance issues on the road. Mine scrapes a lot...
No worries mate, the sides were unbalanced as the NSR had a cracked spring that essentially made the whole car lean to the left. You may want to see if your rear springs have cracked as it is apparently very common on the rear springs for the Ti.
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I measured the back of my Lusso the other day an has 38 n/s and 37 o/s
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But the different models/engines accross the range have different ride heights anyway - most noticable is the 2.2 Brera being a good 20mm lower than the V6
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