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Seriously considering a ti sportwagon...

Hi guys, I'm a newbie so please be gentle and I hope I've got this in the right place?

We discovered at the start of December the wife's Audi estate has a big bill looming and given the cars history of problems we've decided to declare the issues and see what we can move it on eBay for... cars worth about 7K fully working so with the potential 2K repair bill I'd be happy to let it go for 3K.

We have been offered a loan and so have about 12k to play with for a replacement and that has lead me to Alfa's. I started with the usual A4, 3 series, c class estates but anything built within the last 5 years with either m sport/s line or equivilent spec has mega mileage for our price bracket and the alfa seems to be better value for money spec wise.

I've already done some research on here and have determined that the 1.9 diesels are problematic with many of the same faults shared with the VAG engines from the same era. The 2.4 diesel is probably a bit too thirsty (and I would never hear the end of it) so that leaves me with the 170bhp 2.0 diesel (same power output as our Avant).

There aren't many about but I've seen a few contenders between 11.5k-13k.

I've obviously had my fingers burnt with the Audi so I'm wary of making any further mistakes but still want something slightly unusual with a bit of kerb appeal.

So that's where I'm at and I have a few specific questions below but would also be greatfull for any general advice too...

1) How does the 2.0 compare with the other engines for reliability?
2) Any common problems to watch for?
3) Is there a buying guide anywhere?
4) What sort of mileage are these engines comfortable with?

Very interested to hear people's thoughts before I spend any money...
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2) rust, pas problems, weak gearboxes on 4 cylinder cars
4) engine itself is virtually indestructible if you keep it serviced, dont ignore ancillary issues and replace the water pump frequently
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I bought my 1.9 almost a year ago. Being an ex companu car high mile driver, I knew that every car I had sent back had a virtually unused clutch and had just spent it's life going up and down motorways.

I bought it 3 years old with 122,000 on the clock and today it's almost at 138,000. I've seen many examples with higher mileage.

The problam areas were the dpf and egr (as is the case for many modern diesels). I've spent about 450 on it this year, including winter tyres, rear discs/pads, a window regulator, an upper suspension arm, a service and the MOT: I carry out all my own work but in all honesty a descent garage wouldn't have found any other faults either.

Look after it and show it some respect and you'll be happy enough.

I opted out of the company car scheme to buy this car. My boss was wary, and some colleagues reminded me Alfa's reputation. The tables have been turned because they drive Volvo V50's which suddenly lose power as you set off from a junction, or VW Golfs with odd misfires.

By comparison my car is the most reliable of the fleet

Find the one you like (The Ti is worth the extra bit) and enjoy it
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Originally Posted by cj romeo View Post
2) rust, pas problems, weak gearboxes on 4 cylinder cars
4) engine itself is virtually indestructible if you keep it serviced, dont ignore ancillary issues and replace the water pump frequently
Pretty sure the 2.0 JDtm has the F40 gearbox rather than the M32, so the gearbox should be OK (albeit agricultural)

To add to the list, 159s are prone to tyre wear, and benefit from a full laser wheel alignment. Check for excessive wear on the front inner edges.

The 19" tyres on the Ti models are very expensive if you go for 'name' brands.

As CJ mentioned, PAS reservoirs tend to have been filled with the incorrect (red) fluid rather than the correct (green) fluid. Should have been corrected by the time the 2.0 came out.

Other than that, the usual issues with modern diesels are just as likely as with any of the Germans - injectors, DPF clogging etc.

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As previous posters have said jtdm engines are pretty solid apart but dont neglect servicing and waterpump change and you should be OK. The 2.0 has the F40 gearbox which doesnt suffer the same issues to my knowledge which affect the M32 in the 1.9. The 2.0 also has a close coupled dpf/egr set-up which is supposed to eradicate most of the dpf / egr related issues.

I have had both engines and when purchasing my current car (2.0 jtdm SW Ti) I went for the 2.0 as it came with the F40 box. It also takes to tuning better too
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The car you want is a 3 year old ex contract vehicle with space shuttle mileage - diesels are very happy with motorway miles, and the low mileage equivalent may well be a more tired car. I've seen people posting on here about 180K mileages out of 2.4s that are still going strong.

159 problems:

- Belts - make sure they are done
- Clutch - can be eaten by diesels and expensive to replace
- Rust on the front subframe, seen a frightening example at a local specialists.

Another thought. How about a good 156 SW? You wouldn't need nearly as much loan (which is presumably good) and in the lighter 156 chassis, the 2.4 is a very quick engine, and economical too. There are lots of comments on here about the poorer than expected 159 mpg - mainly due to the weight.
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Hi all,

First posting on here. Anyhow, I took the plunge on an 08 ex-company 2.4ti SW with just 100k in November. Wasn't considering an Alfa 159 just went to look at it as I'd never seen one for sale in my area. I suppose I did it all wrong as I looked at this car, loved it, bought it as I was so impressed with how solid the 159 felt, the condition of it and the history that a bit of reason went out the window. However, I did browse around this forum and this website

Alfa Romeo 159 Buyer's Guide

before looking at the car properly so I knew what I would be getting into and what to look for as the information proved useful. I did take the offered extended warranty for peace of mind also.

At present no real issues, just a squealing brake every so often. Happens once/twice first time you drive it then disappears but apparently its a known issue that the Alfa Workshop have detailed.

My early thoughts are that I have accepted the 2.4 isn't going to be as economical as the 407 Sw 2.0 hdi I came from (surprising how thirsty that 5th cylinder is) but to me it feels better built, looks much better (I was one who thought the 407 was a good looking car), it's much faster and at present I'm enjoying being an Alfa owner ......Also noticed people seem to make a point of asking me about the 'Alfa' a lot in conversation when they find out thats what I drive..............
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A 2.4 remapped is quite a mile muncher, certainly fast enough to make it interesting and it will do 40 mpg on a run with dpf delete and egr permanent closure. My bro has a 2l and that does 42 mpg ave mostly motorway miles. So it depends what you want. Our 2.4 is rapid though.
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Thanks for all the info guys, I was completely convinced that a SW would be the best solution for us (and a lovely car too) but I couldn't persuade the wife

We brought home a new (to us) '09 A4 Avant last night so will be sticking with this for a few years.

Hopefully AR have something just as nice for us to consider next time round! Thanks again for all your help, this is a lovely forum with some really helpful members - a credit to the world of car enthusiasts!
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