Originally Posted by THROTTLEMAN
So many good things (it's definitely a drivers car) and in the end it came out in 8th?!? What happen? Was the truck size?
Sorry for the late answer...
The only objective written in AMS.de mag was the 5 dynamique tests...this was the master test and Germans couldn't lie because the measurement is done with specific norms....everything else written is subjective German ridiculous comments.Let me explain why...
1)159 was 1st in all the FIVE dynamique tests...and the German testers gave her in overall just 18 point and 3/A4 took 20/19 points
Stability test in the corner 159 1st.....3 11th....a4 6th...C 7th
Wet Lane Change....159 1st....3 3rd........a4 9th.......C....10th
Lane Change........159 1.....3 3......A4 9........C 2....
Slalom.........159 1........3 3........A4 9.......C 7......
Test reindeer ...159 1..........3 2........A4 11........C 3...
2)159 has 40% faster steering wheel than e90 and smaller diameter with 11,1m....in the end it takes only 7points and e90 took 10points
3)159 has the best braking with Cargo in 39m but it took just 4points.ALL THE OTHER competitors(bmw,audi,mb,vw,peugeot) took 5points
4)159 has the more lateral g in the corner with 0,93g and it took only 18points.e90 with only 0,89g(even less than vectra-a4) took 20points.
5)159 took in the action of the engine only 6points.The same motor(1.9JTDm) is used by vectra/saab 9-3.Alfa romeo is using multijet of magneti marelli which is far more quiet & smooth than common rail II of Bosh which is a system based in Common Rail I of magneti marelli.Alfa romeo took the same points with the low teck pde of VW and all the other common rail systems of Bmw/MB/OPEL/SAAB..etc took between 7-10points.
6)159 uses the same gearbox with vectra/saab 9-3....159 took 4points and vectra/saab took 8 points...scandalous!
7)In the test they had 159 in distinctive version and e90 with the basic....despite that,e90 took in the equipment 9 points and 159 in it's most rich version took only 8 points
8)In interior quality 159 with materials in the level of Audi A6 took 17points as 407 & Bmw3 with poor hard plastics took 19points.Also 159 uses the best quality of leather(piene fiorio) when e90 uses nappa quality which is made from natural fibres and can be found also in superminies such ypsilon.
9)The german testers did not tell us why 159 had 225/50 r17 sth that affects roll quality/consumption/accelaration & all the other competitors were using 16r
....Also 159 was 60kg heavier than e90,had the smallest engine in cubism with vectra-saab 9-3 and despite that,manage to be first and quicker in all the 5 dynamique tests.
10)In the end,German testers did not tell us why not choose 2.4JTDm...if they compare 1.9 of alfa with 2.2 of toyota/lexus they can also compare 2.2-toyota/lexus with 2.4JTDm!!Does it seem fair to you to compare for example 1.9 150hp of alfa with 2.2D 177hp 400nm of Toyota avensis or 2,4 of Volvo D5 185hp/400nm or 2.0-163hp of Bmw??
Lets take a look in the engine data
1.9jtdm & vs 2.2toyota lexus-1.9 has more distance from 2.2-toyota/lexus than 2.4jtdm.....
2231cm3 2387cm3 156cm3..
2231cm3 1910cm3 321cm3...
They should compare
177hp/400nm 2231cm3 Toyota/Lexus vs...........
2387cm3 200hp/400nm Fiat/Alfa
2497cm3 177hp/400nm BMW.....
2.2 of Toyota is the rival of
2231cm3 150hp/310nm Toyota vs...............
1910cm3 150hp/320nm Fiat/Alfa
1995cm3 163hp/340nm BMW
bmw 20d 163hp/340nm 1995cm3 82hp/lt 170nm/lt
bmw 25d 177hp/400nm 2497cm3 71hp/lt 160nm/lt(same data with 2.2toyota/lexus)
alfa 1.9TDm 150hp/320nm 1910cm3 79hp/lt 168nm/lt
alfa 2.4JTDm 200hp/400nm 2387cm3 84hp/lt 168nm/lt
Lexus 220D 177hp/400nm 2231cm3 79hp/lt 179nm/lt
Toyota 2.2D4D 150hp/310nm 2231cm3 67hp/lt 139nm/lt
159 1.9JTDm(-13hp/-20nm,+ more weight of 159,+17R) vs BMW 320d
0-1000m 32,2s 31,2s
90-130 3η 8,7s 9.2s
90-130 4η 9.0s 8.4s
90-130 5η 12.0s 11.0s
90-130 6η 15.2s 15.1s
But the French journalists despite being nationalists,don't have any profit to put 159 in first place so they made(autojournal) their own master test(BMW 320d,Audi A4 2.0TDI,Jaguar X type D,Peugeot 407 & Renault Laguna)and 159 was in first place also in overall,stultifying the German liers.It is ridiculous in German master test to be almost all the German cars(except vectra) in the first places...100% success
....Germans show how they are afraid of 159!