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Well Happy My Remapped DPF deleted Brera 2.4 JTD

Hey Everyone,

Wanted to share this with you as I am one happy chappy right now.

Got my Black Brera 2.4 JTD 210 57 plate a short while ago. The car looks and feels great. The build quality seems very good and the ride comfort is top notch. I was not massively impressed with the performance... it's not that bad, just not that great either and a bit flat in places. Worse still was the economy. Having been deceived by Alfa's 52.3 ExUrb mpg claims, I was expecting something close to it on a motorway run, but ended up getting 37 on a good day, regardless of fuel, additives and Driving Miss Daisy! But all in all, not a bad car at all and beautiful at that.

I started dabbling with the idea of getting it tuned. Firstly, I started looking at those plug in boxes. A few looked good, but most looked decidedly dodgy in my humble opinion. A lot of the forums advice was either get a top notch box (e.g. Steinbauer) or get a dpf delete with a remap. I dismissed the box idea and decided that the dpf was best relegated to my garage shelf and the car properly remap. It was really the only thing that no-one has a bad word to say about. Booked in with Adie at AHM, turned up and 4 hours later, had an entirely different car. That was today. I have just driven back home (about 80 miles) and my trip B computer has registered 47 mpg (driving at between speeds of 60 and 75 in 5th and 6th and a few times pedal to the metal). Completely transformed the car and my opinion of the car. I now have a performing, (more) economical sports car and I can honestly say, I have a big smile on my face Thoroughly recommended for anyone with the 2.4. Get it booked in!!!
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That sums up my experience with the AHM remap too. It works a treat and I finally feel mine is performing as it should. Mine was done last Friday and I honestly haven't stopped grinning!
I have done a tank and it was marginally better than the 38ish MPG I've been getting (according to fuelly).
I'm hoping for 600+ from a tank, that'll comfortably last me a week and still allows me to enjoy the MASSIVELY improved performance!
Enjoy the Brera, tis a beautiful car
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Nice one Rich! 159 is just as good and you can get people with actual legs in the back as well!

I have heard that these remapped + dpf deleted cars are perhaps a second quicker 0-60. If true then that is a great improvement! The mid range is also very impressive. What are your thoughts?

One thing to note, I was advised not to (be lazy and) use the torque from lower speeds in higher gears, e.g. staying in 6th at say 45mph and using the torque to force the car to higher speeds. The car will do it easily especially now remapped, but this is bad practice because all that low down torque goes puts much more strain on the engine, clutch, gearbox etc. Much better to still use the gears, e.g. drop it to 4th or something and change up (and more fun!?!) Thought it was worth mentioning...

With the MPG see how you get on with a long run. The trouble is that after the remap, you're constantly rewarding yourself by putting your foot down (I am anyway). I guess wait for the novelty to wear off then try a good motorway run and see how you get on. I reckon you should get minimum of 44 or a figure like that. Can't see why a 159 would be much different? Also, I have found the cruise control is not that fuel efficient on any car. Don't use it that much as a result.

Glad to hear another happy driver
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I'd agree, the mid range is something to behold, very addictive!! If I do give it the beans, I get more torque steer now which is hardly surprising given the large number of horsepowers available through my front wheels, but I find the car is much less unwieldy than pre-remap at junctions etc, where getting underway required more finesse from my feet on the pedals.

It really is bad practice to rely on torque from low speeds, I call it mechanical sympathy, ie to understand what is happening when you put your toe down and treating your engine, clutch and gearbox gently as a result

As for the MPG, my journeys are always of a decent length (48 miles each way 5 days a week). I've driven Benitto 15k miles since August!
I have used Fuelly from day 1 with my 159 because it was always my intention to get an AHM (or similar) remap. I wanted to be able to see the improvement in fuel economy and my first full tank, peppered with "exhuberent" and erm "making good progress" type driving still gave me my second best ever MPG of 40.2, so I would agree that around 44 ought to be easily achievable without driving like a pensioner in a Micra
That will do for me, I can relax and enjoy the car rather than continuing to be the fuel consumption obsessed bore I have become!!

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I felt the Brera underperformed when i test drove a couple - with a remap and the dpf mess removed im sure it now performs as it should

Don't believe the mpg on the computer though - the remap **** it, that said it still should be better than before

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Hi All,

I've recently had a remap, DPF removal and EGR disable on my 2008 Brera 2.4JTDM 210 model and can completely agree on the performance and general characteristics of the car post the op, it drives sooooo much better now and non of that nasty limp mode stuff anymore .

My only question is around the MPG. I used to get around 30+ and now I'm getting around 36, but that's driving quite carefully. My journey is approximately 22 miles, 14 of which are country lanes, 50-60mph and then the rest on a dual carraigeway (70mph) and I still can't get close to 40mpg.

I'm wondering if it's the remap or the way I drive or something else, i.e. even if I had the remap changed again, would it be the case that the car will never get to those higher figures given the type of journey that I do??

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Ah, I meant to add that increased MPG was one of the criteria for getting the agreement from the boss lady on getting the remap/dpf/egr job done.

The performance is lovely ...mpg is however hmmmm...uhhh... ahhh.. a little bit better ...

I'm trying this week to drive everywhere at 55, no big foot stamping or anything and gentle increase up to 70 on the dual carraigeway to see if that makes any difference..
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My only question is around the MPG. I used to get around 30+ and now I'm getting around 36, but that's driving quite carefully. My journey is approximately 22 miles, 14 of which are country lanes, 50-60mph and then the rest on a dual carraigeway (70mph) and I still can't get close to 40mpg.

I'm wondering if it's the remap or the way I drive or something else, i.e. even if I had the remap changed again, would it be the case that the car will never get to those higher figures given the type of journey that I do??

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I'll be honest and say that I usually drive to and from work at 60-65ish with the occasional squirt from a roundabout. During the week my car does little else!

I've been advised that the sweet spot revs wise for the 2.4 is 1600-1750 rpm in 6th gear and you can really feel that the engine is under very little strain at this speed. It is very noticeable that under any condition but cruising at a constant speed, MPG will drop, so your journey being mostly country lanes (and therefore far more interesting!) means you are probably having to change gear more frequently,throttle on and off lots and generally not run in that economy sweet spot for enough of the time. Maybe try knocking 5mph off your dual carriageway run, use the throttle, brakes and gearbox less on the lanes?! ....Or just don't worry at all and drive it like it should be driven
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Ah, I meant to add that increased MPG was one of the criteria for getting the agreement from the boss lady on getting the remap/dpf/egr job done.

The performance is lovely ...mpg is however hmmmm...uhhh... ahhh.. a little bit better ...

I'm trying this week to drive everywhere at 55, no big foot stamping or anything and gentle increase up to 70 on the dual carraigeway to see if that makes any difference..
Hahahahaha! That's what I told my Missus!

oh and 55 is tooo slow to save fuel, 62mph is where it's at!
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Hi Rich0159,

Thanks for that ... OK, so 62mph it is then, gonna try that for the next few days ...

it's going to be a challenge as it's really easy to just gently push that throttle a little bit harder and .... woah away she goes.... the torque is intoxicating.
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No probs Madgadget, Oh and obvious, so please don't think I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but have you got the air con off and are your tyre pressures high enough?
That'll help too
Apologies for the thread hijack alancdude, but I guess it is kind of related?!
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No worries Rich0159, it's all good positive stuff relating to getting the best driving experience!
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I've been thinking of getting either the Mangoletsi Mod 3 or the DPF removal and remap on my 2009 210 Brera and the more I read about it the more I think the latter is the best one to go for.

What cost do AHM (or any others you can recommend charge)?

I'm in Lincoln so a trip to AHM is a long way for me!
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You probably are better going to the other ace Alfa specialist place. Forgotten what it's called maybe alfatune but I think it's in st Helen's and gus is the guy. Search for gus on the forums and you'll get a load of responses
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One thing to note, I was advised not to (be lazy and) use the torque from lower speeds in higher gears, e.g. staying in 6th at say 45mph and using the torque to force the car to higher speeds. The car will do it easily especially now remapped, but this is bad practice because all that low down torque goes puts much more strain on the engine, clutch, gearbox etc. Much better to still use the gears, e.g. drop it to 4th or something and change up (and more fun!?!) Thought it was worth mentioning...
Why does staying longer in 6th gear cause wear on the gearbox and clutch, when they are not being used ? They would only get used when you drop down gears ?
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Am by no means an expert here so any other contributors most welcome to chip in. I was just trying to illustrate that I had been advised it was bad practice. I've no idea if it affects the gear box and clutch specifically, but whatever parts of the car are subjected to torque in normal driving, will wear out / fail quicker if the car is driven in this manner. It's just not a good idea.
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You probably are better going to the other ace Alfa specialist place. Forgotten what it's called maybe alfatune but I think it's in st Helen's and gus is the guy. Search for gus on the forums and you'll get a load of responses
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You're right it is Gus at Alfatune, anyone had thier car done by them???
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Sorry to jump on this thread so late. I've been looking into putting a TDI tuning Twin Channel chip on my 159. I'm sceptical of the figures they claim to achieve, but am more concerned about the torque steer any power increase will create, anyone with a chipped or remapped front wheel drive 2.4, how bad is it?
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Alan,

You're right it is Gus at Alfatune, anyone had thier car done by them???
Yep, I had my Brera done by Gus some time back, very pleased. The car is used mainly for long runs, very rarely does it just tool around town. I have given up checking my MPG because it is good enough for me not to worry. I am guessing that my overall MPG is high 30's, that includes many hundreds of miles on Continental motorways.
By the way, the reason I was given, by Gus, not to use masses of available torque in high gears is because it will strain the clutch.
Love my Brera to bits, it's just a shame it's an oil burner.
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