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Glad you like it though I don't know if that's right for a TI. However it's much nicer to drive when set to zero and true.
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Can anyone tell me where I can get a good four wheel alignment anywhere in Hertfordshire or between Stevenage and Northampton which is my route to work.
So just to confirm for a 2.4ti on 19" rims it's 0 on the front and 11 on the rears???
 
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Just checked my rears and they seem to be wearing unevenly, from the rear view of the car both rears are wearing on the right hand side of the tyre more than the left. I had the car aligned a while back and the fronts set to zero after i suffered the inner tyre wear problem but now the back seem to be out...is this a camber or toe problem on the rears causing this.....if anything the rear left is worse than the rear right as well :-( - probably not helping the mpg either
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I thought I would add my experience.
Bought my 159 2.4 diesel with 18" wheels over a year ago. It had two new tyres on the front. Within a very short time I noticed the inside edges scuffing out. Had the tracking Laser checked and adjusted. Still scuffed away the inside edges so had it done again and swapped front and evenly worn rear tyres. Still the same problem taking the inside edges away so I took the car to a friend who works in a village garage who set the front wheels parallel with manual equipment. I then put two new tyres on and I have had no more problems. Good road holding and even tread on tyres. Now covered 15k miles and tread less than half used.
I will keep my front tracking parallel, no more toe out for me.
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Just to add my two penneth.

My fronts where badly worn so I had them replaced (Acceleras) and the alignment adjusted as per this forum. The drive has been completely changed. Prior to this my wife actively disliked driving the Alfa. She said it was too skittish, that you couldn't relax driving, that it wasn't "planted" like our previous Audi, etc... This was mildly annoying to me as she drives a Merc M Class which is fine if you enjoy sailling rather than driving. Anyway, I had the alignment done without telling her and got ther to drive the Alfa, she immediately noticed a difference - for the better.

So, a big thank you for all your good advice.
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Lucky Lui:- I am surprised that no one has replied to you. Use Auto Lusso. one of the best independents. Slightly out of your way being at Houghton Regis but close to the best you will get.

Their website is here:-

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Good luck,

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A slight plea here for consistency.

I’m not intending to be pedantic and this may appear to be a question of semantics, but it has caused me some considerable confusion in trying to decide what, if anything I should do about my tracking. We seem to variously use the terms toe-in and toe-out in a totally interchangeable way. For example, for my 159 TI, the handbook specifies the front half toe-in to be -7’ (i.e. 7’ toe-out) and the rear half toe-in to be 11’ (i.e. truly 11’ toe-in). In the opening post to this thread – post #1 – however, Old Engineer advocates a front wheel setting of, and I quote: “Minus 2' +/- 5' per wheel (double for total Toe Out).” That implies to me 2’ of half toe-in, but I’m sure that’s not what is meant – or am I wrong?

The other minor confusion is the mix of ways of specifying the measurement. I accept that measuring toe in mm is not a good idea (although the last time I had my 156 done, some years ago, that’s how the print-out was presented to me) but using degrees can also be confusing. For example, my rear camber is specified as -1degree 3minutes in the handbook, but this can also be specified as 63minutes or even 1.05degrees. Now that’s OK, but I have even seen some posts confusing the degrees and minutes. (The inability to be able to print a superscript o symbol doesn't help!)
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...(The inability to be able to print a superscript o symbol doesn't help!)
Like: -1° 3'

But just keep it simple and set the front to 0° toe.
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And I thought I was being helpful!

I use Toe-Out and Toe-In to mean what they say. The MINUS sign is what the Tyre Centre will put into their equipment when it needs Toe-Out. It's not a mathamatical equation.
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And I thought I was being helpful!

I use Toe-Out and Toe-In to mean what they say. The MINUS sign is what the Tyre Centre will put into their equipment when it needs Toe-Out. It's not a mathamatical equation.
You were, and I’m sorry if my post appeared to be critical, but as I said, I was a trifle confused as to what was actually being said. Other than my previous 156, I have not been the owner of a FWD car, and tracking has never been such an issue, and I’d always assumed that front wheel tracking was toe-in anyway. (On the one occasion I had the 156 tracking adjusted the results were given to me in mm anyway.)
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Lucky Lui:- I am surprised that no one has replied to you. Use Auto Lusso. one of the best independents. Slightly out of your way being at Houghton Regis but close to the best you will get.

Their website is here:-

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Good luck,

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Thanks for that, just booked it in for wheel alignment on Monday then realised I booked it in to Alfa Romeo dealer in Hemel to check out a noise I have on start up as bad starts and tickover.
I just checked with my local tyre fitter who I have used for years for the price for tyres and he can get them at £114 fitted and laser alignment for £40.
I'm going to have to support the local business on this one, sorry AL.
 
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AutoLusso would have investigated the noise and done the alignment. If you are worried about warranties and loosing it because you are using an independent you don't have to. The law on using independent garages was changed years ago and using an independent instead of a dealer does not invalidate your warranty.

Please make sure that for £40 you are getting a full 4 wheel alignment. The rear wheels are also adjustable on a 159 and it is worth getting them adjusted to the manufacturers recommendations.

I do understand you not wanting to break existing appointments though.
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Decided it was time to recheck my alignment (16 Months old and a lot pf pot holes) and also the Dealer had done a drive shaft and I wanted to make sure nothing had moved.

But the readings were odd. After they centered the steering wheel the right hand came up as +7' and the left hand as -7'

Can't think what the dealer might have done to cause that. The right rear was also slightly out. Now all adjusted with the fronts at -1' each.
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Hi all,

Long and technically confusing thread for a newb like me

I was hoping that someone could provide the information to make sure my wheels are properly aligned. I would love for a recommendation if possible, somewhere reputable Cardiff-Bristol way or is this a procedure that any garage with access to factory information and right equipment can get right easily?
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Hi all,

Long and technically confusing thread for a newb like me

I was hoping that someone could provide the information to make sure my wheels are properly aligned. I would love for a recommendation if possible, somewhere reputable Cardiff-Bristol way or is this a procedure that any garage with access to factory information and right equipment can get right easily?
See the first post for settings.
Then use this site for locations...
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Hi all,

Long and technically confusing thread for a newb like me

I was hoping that someone could provide the information to make sure my wheels are properly aligned. I would love for a recommendation if possible, somewhere reputable Cardiff-Bristol way or is this a procedure that any garage with access to factory information and right equipment can get right easily?
Once you have read the first few posts and decided what you need make sure you tell the garage what you expect. They may just do as you ask, they may ignore you and do something different (use the standard settings) or they may challenge what you are asking for. When you ring them tell them the settings that you want and when you arrive tell them again. If they do challenge you be polite but firm and tell them you want the before and after print of the settings. You can then post that here and we can check what they have done for you. It should remain a polite conversation and stroke their ego by telling them you know they can get it spot on rather than near enough and you will post the print on this forum and recommend others to use them.

Finally, it is not unusual to run out of adjustment on the rear before the factory settings are achieved. In this case they should make sure that both sides are equal even if they aren't quite at factory settings.
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I am having two new front tyres fitted this week in France and just wanted to check if I should be asking for the settings as in the 1st post in this thread, Does driving on the right with opposite camber on the roads here make a difference to how the alignment should be done?

Actually getting a French garage to do what I ask when I don't really have a clue what it all means could be interesting.
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I am having two new front tyres fitted this week in France and just wanted to check if I should be asking for the settings as in the 1st post in this thread, Does driving on the right with opposite camber on the roads here make a difference to how the alignment should be done?

Actually getting a French garage to do what I ask when I don't really have a clue what it all means could be interesting.
No difference at all. And I think even a French Garage will understand "Zero".
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Just do a sketch. A picture paints a thousand poorly translated words - even when they are shouted to make translation easier.
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great thread, thanks to the OP and the other smart chaps that added info, another thing to consider when buying a 159 though!
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Hi The correct data setup diagram, shows much more camber on the offside rear wheel, is this correct, as its easily ajustable would'nt they be set the same on both sides.
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Hi The correct data setup diagram, shows much more camber on the offside rear wheel, is this correct, as its easily ajustable would'nt they be set the same on both sides.
Unless you are doing NASCAR Ovals, you want the same on both sides!
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Hi As the rear camber is fully ajustable, should'nt both sides be set the same.
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Hi As the rear camber is fully ajustable, should'nt both sides be set the same.
Clearly my last answer wasn't clear enough, so I'll make it simpler:
YES.
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I have had my 2.4brera for 3 weeks now and I noticed last night that after only 800 miles since I bought it, the inner edges of both rears have worn down to the wear indicator and these where nearly new! Also the car veers to the left and the steering wheel in slightly off centre in a straight line. Called Mangoletsi up and they said they would look at it and see if the tyres where legal but said they wouldn't change the tyres. Surely this issue must have been there when I picked it up? I've owned all sorts of cars and have never seen anything like this!
HELP!!!!!!
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