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Update, car been into Mangos and steering alignment was out, all fixed now and 200 towards new rear tyres! Now that's what I call customer service well done Mango's!!
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Hope they did rear alignment as well. Your previous post seemed to indicate that you had a pull to one side which is typical of the rear being out.
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Yes they did all 4 wheels and having run it for a few days it is much better, now to find some decent tyres!
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Finally got mine sorted. Rears are to factory fronts to zero. All cambers within tolerance. Guy was really knowledgeable and talked me through before during and after the set up. My previous experience of the process had not been good, however this guy was spot on, FCM in Bristol. Time will be the real judge tho.

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It's the rear wheels on my 159 2.0jtdm that are knackered. On the 3rd set in less than a year. Had 4 wheel alignment done on a Hunter machine but I think they set to Alfa's recommendations which are clearly hopeless. Any suggestions on settings for the rear - I don't really know the technical stuff but if I can go back to the diagnostic centre with some figures they'll hopefully change them.
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Just got two new front tyres fitted on my Brera 2.4 (18" Pirellis) Afte reading this thread (some of it anyway) I asked the fella at the garage to set the tracking to zero, first of all he looked confused and then said " we don't do tracking anymore... but we can offer a four wheel alignment for 79.99" Apologies of this has already been advised in this thread but does that sound correct? Didn't tracking use to cost about 10 or someting?
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...and then said " we don't do tracking anymore... but we can offer a four wheel alignment for 79.99" Apologies of this has already been advised in this thread but does that sound correct? Didn't tracking use to cost about 10 or someting?
It probably did cost 10 a very long time ago.

Besides you need all four wheels checked and set, not just the front.

Front just has toe adjustment (set to 0mm toe)

Rear has toe and camber adjustments (set to the std book settings).
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Hi guys, I've read through a lot of the info above but if i'm honest it frazzles my brain. Anyway my brother in law (handy family mechanic) has set all four wheels to Zero toe, but he said the manufacturer's guidlines state the camber should be approx -1 degree (per wheel) so he left them as that. Is this ok or should the angle be reduced?
My rears are quite badly worn on the inside - only had the car 2 months and i supect the rear tyres my have previously been on the front (toe on the front was way out before he changed them), but could it be the camber doing this? I don't know if 1 degree is a lot or not?!
The car is handling noticably better now.
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p.s. 2009 1.9 LE, 19inch rims (basically Ti spec if that matters!)

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ERK! JP - please get your bro-in-law to reset the rears to the factory settings asap (unless you want to end up going through a hedge backwards). The toe-in on the rear is what helps keep the back end of the car going in a straight line, and helps it grip in corners.

Camber won't scrub the inner edge off the tyre - too much toe out will.
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Ok thanks, so from what you're saying can I take it that camber is fine, front toe is fine, but rear toe needs to be........what?! Sorry I know I could check in the book but there's so many different numbers on here that I dont know what's right or wrong!
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Give your bro-in-law a print out of the picture in the first post, it has the recommended setting for front and rear axles for both camber and toe. The rear factory settings are fine, the front toe settings need to be given a stiff ignoring.
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Nice one, i'll get on to it, Thanks....... I'd better offer him a few more beers!
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Guys,

Have a look at my recent alignment on a 159 2008 2.4 ti with 19's".

Note they could not adjust the camber in the time given as the bolts had seized for the

Any advise welcome.
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If rear camber bolts are seized (not uncommon) then I would get them freed up and adjusted. I think the current settings will cause some increased tyre wear towards the inner edge on the rear tyres. It will look a little like excess toe but will be more progressive across the tyre rather than focused on the inner edge.

How do you feel it drives now compared to "before?"
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If rear camber bolts are seized (not uncommon) then I would get them freed up and adjusted. I think the current settings will cause some increased tyre wear towards the inner edge on the rear tyres. It will look a little like excess toe but will be more progressive across the tyre rather than focused on the inner edge.

How do you feel it drives now compared to "before?"
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Thanks for the advise, it's very helpful as I have no idea what I'm looking at, I'll ask my local mechanic to have a go at freeing them up for me as he's very honest and cheap before I take it back for adjusting.
To be honest, not sure if it's me but it does feel to run less twitchy and I think though could be in my mind the steering might be a little heavier. Not really thrown it around yet to see how it behaves on the edge so need to try that out at some point.
Before hand if I took my eyes off the road for a second (eg. stereo, cooling, checking out other Alfa's or my favorite past time bird watching ) I'd find when I looked back I was on a collision course with either side of the road . Now that seems to have gone at least I think so.
In the wife's Beetle I can oggle at other Alfa's or long legged birdies for longer without the fear of wondering into something.

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Hi
Have a look at my alignment
Alfa Romeo 159, 18inch witch new tyres and correct pressure.

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Looks like they haven't touched the rear camber (which IS adjustable)
Rear toe was even when you went in and was UNEVEN when you left....

and you also left with more total front toe than you entered with....

So overall I'd say a poor effort...!!
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They have a new laser machine but weak skills and you're right, they do not even touch the rear of rhe car.
If car drive almost ok (a littleee to the right) do you think I have to do it again (new tyres)

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Take it back and get them to do it properly at no extra charge.
I presume you didn't ask them to do a poor half-arsed attempt...?
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fisha159: Did you ask for front toe adjustment or full four wheel alignment? If you asked for front toe adjustment then that is what you have got and it is within tolerance. If you asked for four wheel alignment then it is a poor attempt. If you want the front adjusted to reduce or eliminate front inner edge tyre wear then you will have to tell them you want the front toe set to zero. They may not want to put different settings than the machine is giving but firm and polite does the trick.

Also stroking egos usually works. Say you know it's tricky but tell them if they can get both sides at the front spot on at zero and the rear toe and camber at exact mid point of the recommended settings on both sides you will recommend them to your mates. It can be done but just a bit fiddly and needs a little patience.

You (they) may find that the adjustment on the rear camber isn't enough to get mid point on both sides. If that is the case just make sure both sides have the same reading.
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To be honest I would not go back to them, maybe you know some good mechanic in leeds?
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I just put my front wheel on the back, and now goes to the left :-)
so I need first repair my wheel:-(
if you know someone please let me know.

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Sorry Leeds is out of my area, perhaps another member can help.
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I had brand new Accelera tyres fitted and i went straight to Autolusso for the 4-wheel Alignment. The team there are Alfa Romeo specialists. With their beissbarth system and experience my car was setup correctly, i am very happy with the drive now. They are just off M1 J11, if you are within striking distance (which you should be) pay them a visit.
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Hi, can you please PM me the correct settings for a Brera with 19" S alloys? I have read both the tyre wear and alignment threads and I'm confused.com! Only had the car 4 months but I've changed the rears and now the fronts are deformed on both inner edges and also need to changed even though they have 5mm of thread left on them!
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