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Does your 2.2 JTS Brera beat these times?

Picking my black 2009 on Saturday and can't wait. I know it's not the fastest off the line but I wonder how other owners' 2.2 times compare to those on paper: http://accelerationtimes.com/models/...-brera-2-2-jts

Slower? Faster?

Have you had yours remapped?

Mine has 54k on the clock and it looks and sounds like it's been well cared for, so was thinking of doing a few tanks to gauge it's performance and economy before having a remap and a few more things doing.
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My 2.2 feels quick but apparently isn't really. Standard engine.
I couldn't care less about actual figures. It gets the job done.
The sound seems to have improved with age, certainly the last 10k or so (now on 50k), not sure what that's all about.
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Yes, the test drive was fun as part of it was on a country road. Sounded nice.

Only seen 1 other brera since I've known I'm getting this, and that was on a forecourt. Was half expecting to see them appearing everywhere

There's only really two numbers I'm looking at really, they are mpg versus 0-60
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Yes, the test drive was fun as part of it was on a country road. Sounded nice.

Only seen 1 other brera since I've known I'm getting this, and that was on a forecourt. Was half expecting to see them appearing everywhere

There's only really two numbers I'm looking at really, they are mpg versus 0-60
The mapping changed from 2008, it does not need doing.
First thing to remember is a Brera is not a sports car, it is more like a GT,
as for mpg, drive it like a normal car and you will get reasonable mpg,
drive it like a boy racer and the mpg will come down dramaticly,

considering the are only 170 Brera 2.2 JTS's on the road you will not see many.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicl...brera_jts#!tax

Enjoy it for what it is, look after it and it will put a smile on your face,
Welcome to Brera land, enjoy the ride.
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You gotta really take the car for what it is really, exclusive, a thing of beautie, a pleasure to own, a thrill provider at times. Even if the car wasn't so heavy and a remap could take the car to 230bhp ( which it doesn't ) it's still all old-tech now, but in saying that I've owned my 3.2 remapped V6 Q4 for nearly four years and although it's only a good sprinter above 40mph I can't think of another car to replace it with even adding 10,000 on top of the private sale or what ever I'd fetch for it they're that good if it all makes sense?

Forgot to mention if they are running spot on they never fail to privide a thrill like no other car in the same league, I'm still as thrilled off mine some days just like It was the day I bought it. That's never happened to me with other cars before. It could be the rose tinted Alfa specs thing. And I hate audi drivers to since owning this car even though I had an A3 for six years prior to the Brera, why? I don't know. I can't help take one on if I know I'm not out gunned

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Have found different figures for the 2.2 JTS 0-100 time, your source states 8.6, wikipedia says 8.8, an australian review I read once said 8.9 seconds.
I believe the official stated 0-100 km/h time is 8.8 seconds as stated in the handbook but I can't be bothered double checking, they might have got that number after a dozen runs in the most ideal conditions also so you might not have the best time producing the same number on the street.

It's useful information to know, but shouldn't make you like or dislike the vehicle any more or less. If you think your 2.2 may be down on grunt then a few popular things to check are timing chain for wear and the two solenoids under the plastic engine cover they will often produce an error code you can read with a scanner, or the cap on top of the inlet manifold could be getting clogged.

Look up 0-100 times on Youtube for the BMW 320i and the Audi A3 2.0 (non turbo) from the same era as the 159 2.2 JTS, you'll find that the 2.2 despite heavier produces a very similar and sometimes slightly faster times And at the end of the day you can ask yourself which car looks better and which car out of the three would you prefer, I'd say the 159 in my own opinion.
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considering the are only 170 Brera 2.2 JTS's on the road you will not see many.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicl...brera_jts#!tax
Don't be daft.

Dealers called them all sorts of things. SV, S JTS........

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Dont even start to think of fuel economy, if that is a concern then dont buy it!
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Fuel not great, my 2.2 Spider will do 22/23ish in town and at very best 34 on motorway but more like 30 average.
Not an issue with me as I don't put the miles in to be too concerned.

I had a Piper Cross air filter fitted at the last service and that seems to have added a bit to the sound now that's its run in and I have Wizard back pipes going on in 4 weeks time doing away with the back boxes so that should add some grunt to the sound and will hopefully eliminate the hesitation, ah yes, hesitation, that's something else you'll find, you need to rev that bit harder pulling away or you'll be jumping or worse, stalling it, still catches me out over two years down the line.
You wont regret buying one as they stand out from the crowd, only thing you will wish for is that you went for the much better looking Pininfarina Spider ;0)
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considering the are only 170 Brera 2.2 JTS's on the road you will not see many.
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Don't be daft.

Dealers called them all sorts of things. SV, S JTS........

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1,051 Brera 2.2s out there on UK roads.
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The mapping changed from 2008, it does not need doing.
First thing to remember is a Brera is not a sports car, it is more like a GT,
as for mpg, drive it like a normal car and you will get reasonable mpg,
drive it like a boy racer and the mpg will come down dramaticly,

considering the are only 170 Brera 2.2 JTS's on the road you will not see many.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicl...brera_jts#!tax

Enjoy it for what it is, look after it and it will put a smile on your face,
Welcome to Brera land, enjoy the ride.
If you include the SV model there are another 575 apparently.. Still pretty rare though. Only 2800 for all models..
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Just over a thousand eh? I'm happy with that compared to the thousands of Audi on the road.

I know it's not a sports car outright and I know it will love drinking fuel, but I also understand the way the Italians make cars, no two will be the same.

Still..... Always interesting to hear others' experience and to see what can be done to up the power a little.

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Sure basic measurement are equal to basic car spec.
Just for instance. Leather interior adds 40 kilos to a weight against alfatech one. 40 kilos is 2,5% weight add on. it could be a reason for 0,1sec difference ( or other ) in acceleration.
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I think my 2.2 JTS feels much quicker than the figures would suggest, especially when run on tesco momentum 99 octane! The problem with the 0 to 60 statistic is that cars that can reach 60 in second gear are nearly a second quicker than those that need 3rd to do so IMHO. In any event it's the mid range that most impresses and is most useful. Overtaking needs mid range punch and my 2.2 159 definitely has that. Third gear from 3000 rpm up to the redline and the acceleration is impressive for a 2.2 NA engine in a full size saloon. Overtaking is effortless. I had an early impreza turbo from new and it was quicker but the 159 puts just as big a smile on my face when I am pushing on 😀

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When my wife went to test drive the Brera before I actually bought it, I warned her that "it's no quicker than your Polo", and in a straight line it isn't. 0-60 and top speed are much the same. But on a B road she flows
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1,051 Brera 2.2s out there on UK roads.
People should try reading the name of this post,
"Does your 2.2 JTS Brera beat these times?"
where does it say Brera S JTS or Brera SV JTS, it does not.
No where did I say that the link I posted was the total number of Brera's on the road, 2.2 or other wise. which is a total of 2,696 at the present time.
The link I gave was for a Brera JTS, of which there are 170 listed as being on the road.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/browse...fa_romeo_brera
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People should try reading the name of this post,
"Does your 2.2 JTS Brera beat these times?"
where does it say Brera S JTS or Brera SV JTS, it does not.
No where did I say that the link I posted was the total number of Brera's on the road, 2.2 or other wise. which is a total of 2,696 at the present time.
The link I gave was for a Brera JTS, of which there are 170 listed as being on the road.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/browse...fa_romeo_brera
When you've finished with your hissy fit, try to take on board the fact that ALL 2.2s are 'JTS', whether it's an 'S', SV or just standard. Same engine, same 'times'.
If you don't know the car, at least do your research before ranting.
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I think my 2.2 JTS feels much quicker than the figures would suggest, especially when run on tesco momentum 99 octane! The problem with the 0 to 60 statistic is that cars that can reach 60 in second gear are nearly a second quicker than those that need 3rd to do so IMHO. In any event it's the mid range that most impresses and is most useful. Overtaking needs mid range punch and my 2.2 159 definitely has that. Third gear from 3000 rpm up to the redline and the acceleration is impressive for a 2.2 NA engine in a full size saloon. Overtaking is effortless. I had an early impreza turbo from new and it was quicker but the 159 puts just as big a smile on my face when I am pushing on 😀

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Thanks Ian, mid range is where I'm leaning to I suppose, the acceleration from 60 up.

Tesco eh?
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People should try reading the name of this post,
"Does your 2.2 JTS Brera beat these times?"
where does it say Brera S JTS or Brera SV JTS, it does not.
No where did I say that the link I posted was the total number of Brera's on the road, 2.2 or other wise. which is a total of 2,696 at the present time.
The link I gave was for a Brera JTS, of which there are 170 listed as being on the road.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/browse...fa_romeo_brera
Do grow up John and be man enough to admit when you are wrong 😋

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AutoDelta remap (and others?) upped the 1st gear rev limit which is useful.
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AutoDelta remap (and others?) upped the 1st gear rev limit which is useful.
Thanks Tata. As the initial take off is reported to be lethargic, that sounds like a valid option.

But I've seen someone say a remap isn't required on the 09.

I would have thought anything would be remappable?
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As promised... Some photos of my recently acquired Brera 2.2JTS.
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Cool.



I'm not sure AR did any rework of the 2.2 and in 09 they switched to the 1750. (Apart from the Selespeed.)

2.2 hesitation was a bug bear but AD sorted this for a lot of people in the beginning.


There is also a thread on here about drilling though the rear baffle to remove the hesitation,
but that probably doesn't give you the improved economy, upped 1st rev limit and slightly
improved power output.


Enjoy your Brera. I still miss my 2.2 seven years later ....
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